Ohta Asuka, Nagamatsu Ryo - Coconut Mall by downpour

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DRIFTER?

party ended 3 years ago and he's still here

@toki thank you for a well thought out response, and I really appreciate the apology for some thoughtless comments. I'd also like to thank you for clearly articulating your issues with the map because while I'm not in agreement with them it does help me understand where you're coming from. I have the holds and kicks segregated in a way that's tied to musical phrasing (for example, the first three like 00:07:946 (1,2,3) are always holds, while the next 4 are always kicks, this phrasing based methodology occurs all over the map 00:15:219 (1) and 01:06:128 (1) where in these later parts it's intended to make the sv changes easier to read, the idea is that the snappings are the same based on where you are in the leitmotif and are consistent throughout) but i definitely see how it could be offputting to those preferring a more intuitive and easy to read determinant such as pitch. This does help me understand where some are coming from.

I actually wasn't just leaving a bad review on your map though, your review made me realize I hadn't seen anything of yours other than parts on collabs so I downloaded a random solo map and my issue with it was that the deletion of 5 notes dropped the map a third of a star which I don't think really suits the throwback style.

people are now making this into something this isn't at all. some are making this out like i'm trying to tell people how and what to rate (which just isn't my intent here, my intent here is to talk about the review bombing and nasty comments that actually do occur on this website, and while there are legitimate negative ratings i wasn't trying to address those), i saw a video showing this discussion and then talking about how it was a mystery how some maps got rated so well while scrolling through the best of all time page, which is absolutely nonsensical given that my own ratings of those maps are really high (sentimental skyscraper 4.5, xnor 5, nhelv 5, goodbye 4.5, etc.) and i think some bad apples in the community is just using the discussion in order to blow things out of proportion and spread misinformation about my beliefs so i'm going to do my best to not respond further.

i want to thank everyone who came to this discussion and provided well-thought responses. goodbye for now o/

chig bungus

big fkng chungus got the best diff on this

> someone else said this but it is very hard to tell what the snapping of a slider is just by looking at it.

+1

also i really dislike 01:02:492 - this part bc the percussion stops yet there's still snap aim which probably would've better instead as circles to contrast.

> I dislike the general angle usage, i constantly feels like you want the player to break their wrists leading to an overall clunky playing experience, this is fine in moderation and for specific emphasis points just not all the time.

agree with enryotoki

did you really just rate my friend andrew’s map a one.,,?

really dislike combo color 2

if yes then you are my biggest idol, I can only dream of comments like this

wait was this written unironically

y'all actually treat beatmapping like it's sports teams not a creative hobby. no one is actually looking at this map and thinking is below a 3/10 you guys are just obsessed with "winning"

still funny to me how i went from this gd to let mom sleep in like 5 months

leaving my thoughts on this set before it gets buried in discourse again

top 3 diffs are all Alright

on top diff - someone else said this but it is very hard to tell what the snapping of a slider is just by looking at it. i think i could get quite a bit of mileage out of it the same way i would a low ar map - learning from mistakes in prior runs and memorizing patterns. if that doesn't appeal to you though its just kinda frustrating. also the saxophone part looks sooo jank

on blixys diff - totally fine but i think they'd agree w me that this is too monstrata for its own good. blanket city

on fanzhen diff - its very commendable that fanzhen can do a lot with a little (extends to most of his maps) but his diff is just pretty good patterning and nothing else lol

downpour bro believe it or not the way you view tylerderp maps are how some people view your maps (regardless if it’s “valid” or not) and that’s just the nature of the game and mapping in general and if you can’t live with that then idk what to tell you

trying to tell other people how to rate maps is never going to work because some people just have different scales of quality, and honestly ive been a bit too affected by what people rate my maps in the past so i completely get where this is coming from but you either have to deal with it by accepting that some people view the game completely differently to you or just remove/blacklist yourself from the website for the sake of your own sanity

Downpour frankly i have said absolutely nothing to you (besides i guess the comment on this map) and i am just using the website the same way i always have, reacting to comments on the main page and looking at the maps they are on. I do legitimately dislike this map despite my sarcastic comment because frankly ur behaviour has started becoming slightly irritating. I do not understand why you continue to use this website if you loathe it so much

As for transhumanist unless there were other delete comments of a similar nature, i assume you are talking about mine. I do regret talking about maps i really dislike in this snarky/rude nature as it adds nothing and i do understand how it would feel reading comments like that, so for that i do apologize.

As for this chart, if you are curious somewhat my reasoning, its because you consistently conflate multiple snappings and svs that visually look identical eg 00:11:810 (2,1) - I also dont think you have a great grasp on when to use the kicks vs the holds, as its musically quite similar whenever you swap between the two (Wouldve been nice if it was done on pitch, for example) . I dislike the general angle usage, i constantly feels like you want the player to break their wrists leading to an overall clunky playing experience, this is fine in moderation and for specific emphasis points just not all the time. This isnt a zero because i do like how you increased the intensity on the last kiai and i am a fan of the 1/4 patterns you have done. Not too used to writing stuff like this so i apologize if something doesnt make sense.

Also after i left that rating on a map you enjoyed you sought out a map of mine to rate lowly. So whatever that means

bratan

Do you not see the hundreds of comments praising tons of maps of all different kinds? It is certainly not the case that the website as a whole carries a "culture of negativity." It seems like you're prejudiced because your maps aren't well received and when you throw these conniption fits this "antagonism" you speak of is only further encouraged. You have a childish view of community and criticism as a whole

downpour

this definitely is a straw that broke the camel's back situation but also the response (before everyone piled in here) was literally one (1) sentence. and it was a deliberate choice to try have this discussion in my own comment section.

why is the entirety of omdb getting a pass for being this upset over a single setence unless perhaps it actually is just being hit where it hurts, and i'm being told i'm "overreacting" for writing thoughtful responses to the most constructive comments?

i'm definitely not crashing out but rather trying to accurately articulate my issues, and mostly responding to people with serious comments rather than provocations.

as for the stuff about a couple mediocre ratings, and the rating spread, it's from the exact people (kaly, enryotoki, etc.) who've been antagonistic toward me all over the website and even admitting to lowering ratings based on personal opinions (which is, ironically, what the single sentence accused them of, treating mapping like sports teams), so i think its pretty obviously justified.

i get that edgy/nasty comments are frustrating to read but you literally started this discussion thread today because a couple people simply rated the map poorly (which could be for legitimately an INFINITE number of reasons.)

its true that people here (myself included) can give some pretty knee-jerk takes and that can come off as insulting, but if a simple act of clicking the star button on the map is enough to warrant this response then you legitimately should probably not engage with the website at all.

also for what its worth from what i can see the rating distribution here is legitimately so mediocre (2.7* isnt even THAT BAD!!) that i fail to understand what the fuss is about. i get that its probably a straw vs camel's back situation but come on

do i need to keep repeating its the nasty edgy comments like a broken record lol. it's not just reviews.

this is a hobby, not someone's job, and people want to do things that are uplifting in their free time when they have a job and an adult life to deal with.

instead of going to bat for bad behavior you should grow up and focus on being kind in the first place! it's free and keeps the hobby fun, and constructive critique is just as good! you should try it :)

> but given that this website has taken such big shits on maps that have inspired me that it's demotivated people i admire

real talk and meant bluntly, but if you are a mentally and socially adaptive, say 16+ YO, a negative review should not trigger a ‘depressive affect’. at it’s core this is quite literally a resilience issue. no one has to coddle you or anyone else because they’re “friendly”

just take some of the ratings with a grain of salt, it’s not that hard. grow up.

anyway, i hear and understand that i'm not going about it the best way, and my apologies on that. but i do think that perhaps it should be understood that there are genuinely people who follow my activity around on this website with the intention of getting under my skin, you can fid some in this comment section. and this may be surprising but eventually it does get under my skin.

i'm a friendly person who likes to uplift our creative hobby at the end of the day, and i'm sorry if that doesn't come across better, but the uplifting kind comments i leave never seem to get the attention that the hate/drama clicks rake in. so i think people also may be skewing their perception a bit.

L comms

get a load of THIS guy ↓

hey, i actually really appreciate your take. it seems earnest, and i respect that.

here's my response, which i also tried to make as earnest as i could:

i think that it's very hard for me to imagine someone looking at a map this inoffensive and feeling like, strong disgust. i think it's pretty heavily implied that if someone legitimately could articulate serious flaws with the construction, i would be not only willing but interested in hearing it. what i'm trying to get at, however, is that most, if not all of these people could not do that because they do not believe in these rating they are leaving. below a 3/10 would indicate beatmapping of SIGNIFICANTLY below average quality, and obvious, visible major contradictions in the map's design.

i don't think it's conceited to say, because i'm not saying this is the best map ever. personally, this is not my best work, nor even close to it. i just think that it's relatively mild and inoffensive compared to most of my mapping, and it's probably not true that coincidentally a group of people that dislike me personally also find major flaws with this map that there's also no explanation of in the comments.

i also did leave room for bad ratings that are not near the extreme end, because i'm not saying that no one could possible genuinely dislike this map. i'm trying to say that at best, these negative reactions are probably being overstated for the sake of a review bomb. now, whether people are overlooking these things i find to be tacitly implied by the accusation "people treat mapping on omdb like sports rather than a creative pursuit", or whether they are not obvious to others i cannot say. but to me i think that needing to write this essay feels strange, like somehow i need to spell everything out when i'm pretty sure it's obvious how i intended it. if it genuinely is not, i apologize. this isn't supposed to be about how no one could possibly dislike this map. this is supposed to be about it being rather obvious to me that the map is relatively inoffensive, and the gravity of these reviews points toward serious structural flaws that should be blatantly obvious, yet only see to be perceived by a group of people who dislike me personally and have offered no explanation. i think those factors make it obvious it's a group of people who want to stop me from "winning", rather than earnest opinions.

re: the culture of negativity, i'm pretty sure that the majority of people who do not use this website would agree with this, and the majority of users here are aware of this outside perception as it is discussed frequently especially in comment section arguments leading up to the shutdown. and if you look through any map that is popular to hate on this website you will find quite disparaging things being said about people's earnest creative efforts. i missed the mark with hfig, sure. that's my bad. however, i actually do think it is meaningful to push back on the comfort some people have here coming up with creative, edgy insults for people's passion projects. i may or may not be correct in how things will or won't change, but given that this website has taken such big shits on maps that have inspired me that it's demotivated people i admire (please read hifu's userpage if you don't believe that the things said about transhumanist did not affect them) i do feel a need to provide meaningful pushback.

and to me, if it's not obvious by now, the fact that people react the way they do to criticism that doesn't name names and instead just targets obvious misbehavior, even going so far as to follow me around to shit on the things i try to uplift, tells me that i'm right. to be so threatened and uncomfortable by criticizing their behavior that they identify themselves by name in response and act exactly in accordance tells me that on some level, there are people that understand that how they behave in this community is wrong. and even if it's agonizingly slow, i want to have these people out themselves in front of the community until eventually people decide that enough is enough.

i look forward to that day immensely. i think omdb would be a very good thing if it was carried out in the spirit of uplifting a creative hobby.

i just woke up what happened

who tryna play

yall who wanna play dl

downpour everything you're complaining about are things that annoy me a lot too which says a lot that whatever the fuck you're doing rn is infinitely more annoying

downpour you are not real

I'm almost certainly going to regret trying to earnestly explain to you why you're disliked on this site but I'll do it anyway

Most people agree that 0 bombing someone's maps because you dislike them personally is distasteful, but then you attach it to the hilariously conceited statement "no one is actually looking at this map and thinking is [sic] below a 3/10"--do you seriously believe that this map is so well-constructed that nobody could possibly genuinely think this map is bad? I hope you don't, because it'd be pretty sad if you did

RE: the "culture of negativity on this site," you are quite literally making up people to get mad at like when you went off on hfig for leaving an ironic hate comment on his friend's map. You are nagging at people to not have harmless fun with their friends rather than meaningfully changing anything about the site's culture or even doing a good job of calling actual nasty behavior out

sooo.... in other words, i'm right to accuse you of treating mapping like sports

seeing your opinions on maps makes me dislike them sorry :p

no worries. i do think it's pretty comedic how i can accuse peoppe of treating it like sports and have someone reply with "lowering rating" while someone else acts like i'm crazy for pointing it out lol. the cognitive dissonance goes crazy.

I wrote that comment before I saw your comment below it so my bad.

you all know what reputation this website has outside the userbase and the fact i can reliably get massive negative reactions to criticism of the nasty behvaior displayed by the userbase and yet the uplifting comments and ratings i give out on things that i am the only rating on proves to me that this was never about "beatmap discovery" and it was always just about pvp because y'all treat mapping like its sports

So it's fine not to be critical if you're being positive. Nice!

i'm not talking about the need for surgical ratings that i'm talking about people like kaly who follow me around the website to downrate things i like, or people who show up on maps like transhumanist or other popular maps to hate on them and write nasty things about them.

equating someone not having a surgical approach to rating maps on this website to a disrespect for mapping is silly. ratings are just numbers that hold little nuance at the end of the day.

if that makes me wrong i don't want to be right. creative hobbies should be about constructive critique and uplifting art.

in a place like this i would hope i was perceived as strange tbh. i'm here to celebrate a creative hobby and catalog a rough idea of my taste in maps, and instead of going into comments and posting reductive and mean things about people's creative work i'm mean to the people who are nasty for free in the first place.

U are a strange person

there's valid reasons to dislike things and then there's the way i can ragebait this website into exposing itself just by calling it out lmao

lowering to a 0

Im thinking a 1/10 for this one

yeah there's no valid reasons to dislike anything actually

Hahahahhahaha

y'all actually treat beatmapping like it's sports teams not a creative hobby. no one is actually looking at this map and thinking is below a 3/10 you guys are just obsessed with "winning"

This map sucks

mapping works neatly with the song but seems rather unpolished or incomplete sometimes

fanzhen clears

wish it had an ingame background tbh :(

the only big grip i have with this map is the 1/6 doubles in the kiais being wayyy too snappy and the movement is uncomfortable, that being said, the sections such as 00:29:613 (1) - feel so good and are really well put together in general

i think when some people memed on stuff like geddan, at least for me personally, it was because i knew downpour had the capability of creating something that is both creative from a mapping angle while still being recognizable as a fun and absorbable map for players, and this is proof of that

thank you for making your maps rateable

visionary I'm entering my omdb era

omg i can finally rate it

i can’t rate this so i’ll give u my rating in comments instead

(star) (star) (star) (star) (half a star)