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Idk if thats possible because there are so many variables with what ppl enjoy that it would be probably pretty bad unless you either:

- Play slop only (Easiest algorithm ever in that case)
- Enjoy certain mapping styles only (You probably could make an algorithm for that)
- Enjoy certain music only (Big minority + Also easiest algorithm ever in that case)

The reality is that I would wager that 95%+ of ppl are a mix of those and then the algorithm is Likely pretty fucking shit (Not even mentioning other cases which there for sure are but I am a bit disconnected now I think so I can't rly say too much more)

There probably could be some algo based on like favourites and engagement in relation to other users butit would probably be like insanely complicated which realistically noone will actually do so I think that idea is DOA

Now don't get me wrong I'd rly like to use this if it was possible AND even semi-good but I don't think it's possible sadly

olibomby could do that
https://bobert-web.pages.dev/recommendations might be what you're looking for? @Fyuni @PAJWOJ

personally i think there's enough recommendation system in the world and instagram reel is not a good goal to strive torwards if you believe in sanctity of the human race but idk maybe im just too paranoid and it's gonna be fine actually

peppy kinda hates the concept of fyp, making it an external site and therefore opt-in might make it less of an endless spiral of algoithmic slop or smth lol

if it were up to me i'd just filter out anything with over 1m play within a year but im just heavily biased xd (plus underplayed maps deserves a shout)

but yea filters like similar genres/mapping style would be cool, or they could pull a funny and have an option do go complete opposite to spice things up :)

well i didnt mean it to be an actual fyp i was half joking but considering how modern and techy lazer has become it just doesnt make sense to me to keep the ranked section so fucking unorganized its genuinely baffling to me like there must be some sort of solution to give players good recommendations
like even tillerino did it back in the days so surely it must not be THAT complex for a dev team like this
genuinely trying to rank one (1) map of mine in the past 6 years that i myself want to rank instead of got repeatedly asked by a bn about ranking has been one of the most miserable, soulsucking experiences in mapping. bn preferences are more important than the time and effort you put into your own mapping and you would be better off choosing a song to target specific bn preferences and having an easy time ranking something you personally think is mid than actually mapping something you personally think is unique for the ranked section and has tangible artistic vision that emerged from the time and effort. this current ranking system is a wholesale failure and spending two months with notifications on for a discord bot so you can rack up 30 rejections requesting in a parking lot on your phone or first thing in the morning has to have been thought up by satan. i get sad when i open the game now, it has been that crushing of an experience. i literally try have tried to rank a handful of maps in my entire time on this game despite how much i map because i don't want to spam things i don't actually care about but i get why people do it now. might as well just quantitymaxx for bn preference lottery since objectively making something you think is a high quality unique experience for ranked doesn't matter literally at all in this process. we should make things better somewhat even if it isn't perfect.
listen man i think the obvious problem is that bns just want an easier process of ranking stuff for their logs and they just will give a fuck way less about how good a map is if it means they have to undergo a shit ton of workload (ofc theres the few angelic bns that are an exception to this part but this is like the most excruciating part of the process) so that means that if you want to push higher quality stuff you will need to give bns something that rewards that effort
and this also relates to my previous point of sorting the ranked section; if the ranked section is categorized properly, lots of good maps will get recognition and will also be another incentive to nominate those
I mean ye why would I rank a map I don't like
no hate to any bns since i understand they didn't design this system and literally volunteer their time but my god the amount of times ive thought about dropping ranking something i genuinely really care about WITH A FIRST BN just because trying to find a second makes me too upset to actually map for myself as i normally do
i honestly think the ranked section needs to incorporate data from omdb into something something algorithmic like this site is just free data for peppy to do something
@app personally i understand that perspective because you are a volunteer. but please understand that this is my perspective as someone on the other side who barely even tries to rank anything and finally made something i want to rank myself for the first time in half a decade. i'm not saying you or any other bn has to take it, but that the system makes this kind of outcome inevitable and that's why even an imperfect improvement is progress.
i am trying for my third ranked map after beginning to map in 2015. you have ranked sixty six beatmaps since i ranked my first map in 2020 while i have only ranked one that mostly got ranked because a bn kept pushing me to rank it even though i was no longer very fond of something i mapped in 2020 (i mostly ranked it for the gds). you should understand that despite "bns aren't necessarily mappers dude they are modders" bns have a very different time than someone like me trying to push something they care about for ranked.
Dude I was on ur side before I got this title obviously I know how it feels like and I never tried to pander to a single BN either :D there are many things to consider such as how good your set actually is and how big it is etc Of course I only got this number because I put and sacrificed (as cringe as that sounds) a lot of time for this specific aspect of the game and I don't know what else to tell you
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