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Thank You Scientist - Everyday Ghosts by Froslass

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Last updated: Dec 29th, 2025
Average Rating: 3.50 / 5.00 from 1 votes
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15h ago

i got a little sad reading ur review, ur incredibly hard on urself and it hurts to see someone with such iconic status talk about their own creative process with such.. disdain? ur carrying a lot of emotional weight when talking about ur mapping like ur identity/selfworth as a person is directly tied to this game. ur kinda holding urself to an impossible standard of what a "great" map should be and i feel like ur completely devaluing the actual work and success uve built over the years ._. i know u might feel like this is just "honest analysis" but it sounds like ur rly just beating urself up and its genuinely sad to see. ur allowed to be a person outside of your maps. i really hope you can find a way to enjoy creating again without it feeling like such a burden

6h ago

oh i mean i guess the wall of text ended up looking much more negative than it should've been lol but ultimately i'm quite okay with how things are. i hold high standards upon myself because i feel like i'm stagnating if i don't. i'm genuinely fine with the niche i've achieved and i know there are people who enjoy my stuff so that's more than enough for me. i like mapping and i have a much more positive outlook on my creations than i used to, it's just that i feel i'm still far from creating something truly great for me and imo that's more of a motivation to keep going rather than a bad thing

3h ago

thanks for taking the time to write this, it might feel self-indulgent but i love when i get to hear peoples thought processes like this. it was new to me that you're very self-aware of how your maps project. in my opinion you do have a really good handle on what more people might desire

one of the reasons this caught my eye is because the patterns you’re talking about in wyits stars map are the same ones that changed me as a mapper. the thing about those patterns that’s always been the most important to me is the horizontal symmetry, because beyond just involving the center of the screen, they’re entirely structurally dependent around the center of the screen. that’s what gives it the contrast that makes you raise your eyebrows at it - you mention being afraid of what’s too obvious, but those patterns are super duper obvious. when you pair that with a starkly unique part of the song, like the specific guitar line in stars that wyit picked out to do the symmetry on, thats why it hits

i think whats most important here though is that harnessing raw patterning ability is not the key to creative fulfillment anyway. you could spend a lot of time grinding something like visual spacing consistency but the mathematically perfect collection of objects at the end of the rainbow will still not be thoughtful or enjoyable unless you have projected your own desires onto it. this is why i actually wouldnt recommend something like mentorship as a means to this end - everything creatively satisfying is going to come from you and what you want.

*knowing* what you want is a different challenge. i’ve talked to a number of friends who have the same struggle you express with just generating ideas, or at least i think that’s what you mean when you talk about the mental effort it took to make this map, and it’s always tough to have an answer because i managed to avoid that right off the bat. like, when i was starting to map, i was in high school, and i would often zone out and just doodle patterns in class. i had too many ideas. i don’t mean to present that as a cool or positive thing about myself, i’m mainly just using it to say that i don’t know how people map without having adhd. it’s like the one thing that i can’t give any good advice on, besides just looking at other people’s maps to collect cool shapes in your brain, which i have to assume you’ve done a lot of

if it’s any consolation, i can give input on what you did do. i think for sure my favorite pattern in your map is the 3/4 line sliders at 01:59:221 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , 02:06:004 (1,2,3,4) - , etc. its a very distinct and pishi-core idea, in fact it feels like the type of thing you’d see in the thank you scientist map that he ranked this year. i know saying “do more stuff like that” isnt exceedingly helpful for the problem i’ve just described, but i hope its better than nothing

anyway regardless of all of this its really nice to hear from your above comment that mapping is still fun for you no matter how insecure it can feel to keep pushing yourself, and that goes for anything creative. when you decide to finish a map i hope the greatest reason is that you felt like it

2h ago

^^^
great follow up, the last comment especially

@bd can we do pinky promise that ur gna be a little kinder to urself anyways? :b


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16h ago

it's a bit silly to review my own map, and even sillier to review an unfinished map. perhaps i could've gone to the comment section instead, but i just wanted to yap a bit about this one.

mapping as an artform is something that does fascinate me quite a bit even if i could never bring myself to grasp properly the concepts that some mappers use for self-improvement. i did mention this in the comment section of my session map, but i feel like this approach to mapping makes it inherently less fun to me, and while i do pride myself in the fact i've spent so much time in this game, i do still see it primarily as a way for me to have some enjoyment in life.

regardless, in this song, i saw an enormous amount of potential for me to do something far greater than anything i've ever done, perhaps mistakingly as this song doesn't really qualify as anything that could make it a remotely popular map, be it for players or mappers. so it was already kinda doomed from the start, really. either way, i tried.

the main concept i used on this, which is quite obvious, is creating a bridge between the background, the song, and the hitobjects themselves, through the structure itself. while this isn't really executed in a really clever way throughout the map, it is presented with the centering of many patterns, inspired by wyit's Hum - Stars map. things like 00:36:620 (1,1,1,1) - and subsequent patterns, 01:28:135 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - , 01:40:135 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -, and some key elements such as 03:03:773 (1) - are always centered or structured in a way that brings the focus to the Y axis. i feel like this is a good concept in theory, but executed in an underwhelming way, as it isn't really invoked too often and could be explored more. the main problem with this is that i genuinely could not think of ways to put it into the map without shoehorning it and making it really obvious, which IMO separates a good concept from "just another gimmick map".

i've never been known for proper negative space usage / visual spacing consistency, and while this map is an attempt at improvement in that sense, it's still far from what you'd consider good in this regard. it feels sometimes like a pattern/slider gallery, and even then, the distribution of these patterns on the screen doesn't really feel visually satisfying. i feel like this is something that could only be improved by being mentored by mappers who are extremely proficient on this, however, as mentioned before, this is not a way i feel like i'd enjoy doing mapping.

while it seems like i'm mostly bashing the map for its creative decisions, there's a reason why it is the way it is. my style has always been known for being... "iconic", you could say. in the past this could mean that certain basic patterns were always used to the point of being recognizable, but over the years i believe this evolved to a point where it's a bit more than that. before "vibe coding" meant doing shit with AI, i loosely used the term "vibe mapping" for maps that simply do whatever they want in a rather inconsistent, but engaging way. i think of maps like big black as the biggest example of this - it's crude, it's technically flawed, but you can clearly see what it was going for and it has its own indistinguishable charm. this is due to "spontaneous" mapping decisions, for the most part. "this feels like it'd make for a cool pattern" or "oh i guess this follows the song enough" are the kind of thoughts i had when making a lot of maps over all these years.

this mindset, i feel, directly contrasts and goes against the principles of 'properly mapped' maps - think anything raikozen or xarr could make. mapping isn't really supposed to be this thing where you're just throwing your cursor around and seeing what sticks while having the most basic possible structure, it's more than that... for some people. you could see grandsenpai maps getting clowned on for having this idea while extremely focused on the player side of things, people making "mapping speedruns" and things of the sort. it's tough to realize you're simply not meant to create something great because of your own principles being wrong, but once you do realize it, there's always that layer of self-awareness that comes through and seeks improvement, as small as possible, in the execution of whatever you're doing.

this map is quite the result of that. it is an attempt at building upon things i've always felt i was lackluster at - proper pattern building without abusing copypaste, more visually loose structure while maintaining a sense of cohesion, more varied slidershape usage, noticeable contrast between sections, making use of (relatively) complex rhythm to bring forth a more dynamic playing experience, and "proper song representation" - whatever that means.

in the end, the result is... obviously underwhelming, for several reasons. i guess it just isn't meant to be a good map, at most, a decent one. it's served more as a sketchboard than anything else. but it was extremely useful in building confidence and showing myself what i was capable of without pushing myself too far into the realm of outright not enjoying what i was doing. it required an absurd amount of mental effort for me to even think of the quite basic patterning in this map, so i can't say it was exactly "fun", but it was certainly something i could see myself doing again at some point, perhaps even finishing this.

i almost wish i could highlight this map to everyone as an example of what i'm capable of, but instantly i realize that i could say the same about at least 5 other maps i've done in the past, where now i just look at them and i'm like "yeah they were defining moments in my mapping career but.. they just look like any mismagius map". and i guess the same applies to this one. while it's not inherently bad to build an identity and a style, it does feel upsetting that i feel completely stuck to my ideals at some points, even when i try to get away from them. for example, i can't bring myself to make something that i outright would not enjoy playing in any way. this ends up affecting the logic behind all of the patterns in any map i make, and causes what could be perceived as bland mapping.

in the end, this map perfectly exemplifies my journey of "mapping self-improvement" - it's not finished. it showcases improvement, but only in a superficial way. it makes me question what really is "good enough" for myself. it could be considered a "good enough mismagius map" for a lot of people, and i mean absolutely no offense by that, that can be a good thing! but many established mappers would look at this and say "yeah this is a good enough mismagius map" in the sense that... it's just another one. it doesn't really scream anything outstanding in itself other than in the context of its own journey, which is like... whatever bro, an outsider isn't going to care about that in 99% of the cases.

am i taking this too seriously? maybe. but it's fun to think about it once in a while. when you spend 99% of time being ignorant about the intricacies of what you've spent most of your life doing, i guess it doesn't hurt to self indulge sometimes. i might do a writeup on some other maps i've made with a similar feel, but i guess i'll have to be in the mood for this again.

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