cool map @semaphore

roughsketch used to be soo soo soooo fucking good mannn what happened

hi guys my hot take after letting things cool down and checking bit (i've genuinely been busy irl, i cooked for a fun little dinner party with osu irls and had quite a bit to do in my coursework) is that I think there's valid concerns raised but this proposal took like 12 hours of work over 2 weeks and while I think there's ultimately good suggestions for adaptation it might take me a while to fully consider all the angles that have been raised (shout-out Deviouspanda I didn't think about that too much and probably should actually lay out the goals of the test reintroduction to address it) but eventually I will try to iterate something better. Generally though, while I do agree that it's definitely somewhat risky, my opinion is that I think this system would be better than what we currently have despite it's flaws. With adjustment it might be less flawed and a clear upgrade to more people, which is my hope. Not sure if even a clear upgrade would ever actually get implemented though, it mostly does feel like a road to implementation is likely not traversable at the moment. My hope is less that an improved iteration would be implemented now and more that I hope the nat keep considering it for years to come and perhaps one day there will be the momentum for a change.

also Chinese was advised by Alty and the osu mapping QQ and French was handled by yumerios :)

Just facking add more bns It seems that noone who is bn wants to be bn they are all miserable it doesnt require anything other than dropping a lil bit of ego or whatever And then we can build on it

and then those new bns becomes miserable and doesnt want to be bn anymore and the cycle continues 💀

there were probably incentives outlined in the thing and i really should read it but... i dont wanna 😭 i'm real lazy 😭😭 (ok fine i'll read it eventually)

fr tho the thing with current bns is there isnt much perk really, other than maybe se notoriety to your name and *cough cough* b4b *cough cough*

enon has address this a bit https://x.com/enonone522/status/2051727808716845379?a=IiA6f40UhfYCH06er2A&s=20 but basically if you dont participate in """circlejerk""" and it sucks out all of your time then the bn experience is kinda hollow

i enjoyed helping ppl out and all but MAN do i miss mapping when i had to force myself to stop for a whole year

I do think its a problem when any bn ive spoken to whos been around for longer than a year hates their job

I swear to god there are ppl who would enjoy being bn at least for a bit but they never get the chance to because the process to become one is the worst thing on planet earth and then u could rotate the ppl who don't want to be bn (U can just press resign even now but ppl don't for Some reason) like just make it better man

sometimes i want to go for bn and then im like the application process aint that hard and then i think for a bit more and im like wait theres like maybe not that many maps that i would like to help into ranked section anynmore seeing the recent state of it as of recent and splitting ranked into 2 category wouldnt help that feeling for me because the ranked section for me should be "the maps that are good mechanics wise should also be good (visual?) designwise" but like i get why that kind of split would be desirable nowadays and the ability i have to speak on technical stuff in mapping isnt really relevant to bn job so shit starts feeling kinda pointless for me but at this point i think any change is good change

I just wish BN modding (after application cuz tbh most don't mod nearly as careful afterwards) would be more than just metadata bs because most ranked maps get modded to the RCs minimum rather than improving stuff (polishing, quality rechecks, maybe even some *subjective feedback* on certain things that can improve a map). My own opinion but I feel like a good majority of ranked maps often look and feel like pending maps that were accidentally nom'd, especially gameplay wise it's infuriating at times :(

eh, its just that there are no real standards anymore as long as it doesn't look like a literal first map so there isn't really a point to even care for "polishing" beyond whats obvious

Disagree this wll be controversial but we should outright ABOLISH any sort of subjectivity in bn checking and literally make it like a mapset verifier check or something

my view is that this is currently done either way so why keep the charade of "Keeping quality" (Mega meaningless buzzword btw) when there are subgroups who dgaf at all + Whatever will get nomed or not is also determined by other factors not only the map (I bet million dollar that at least 80% ppl I request to refuse because of the song without even looking at the map and I do not blame them at all I would do the same)

Like if u want to put a bunch of subjective stuff feel free don't get me wrong but the bn test should literally be "Can you check for rc" and if the answer is yes you are in

This will result in an increase of bns which will in turn reduce the effect of ppl who nom for friends only (Because more people will do the same for their friends as well Literally erasing the issue)
This will also increase both song and map variety in the ranked section (song is the Most important factor for player enjoyment IMO but that is personal experience so urs will be different)
This will also reduce idiotic vetos where ppl are trying as hard as possible to avoid outright saying "I don't like this map so I'm vetoing it" with Big Bullshit essays

Genuinely it will fix the facking game 100% There should be some sort of way to like monitor and eliminate obviously bad actors but that's not for me to decide

There was somethign else I wanted to add but I like ate a bit of my dinner and the thought disappeared in 2 seconds so if I remember it again I will say it

Oh right I was gonna say that we cannot realistically enforce any sort of "quality" in a thing that's so ultra subjective I believe that every map has a target audience and there are no like Bad maps it's all an opinion and so why try to come up with bullshit because someone doesn't like something just get over it you can Not interact with the map it's so simple just don't look don't play and let others enjoy

Sidenote Im still so mad that sanch and whoever the 2nd was got kicked for that one map with vivid bg Fuckin ppl with sticks in ass

i have said it before and i will say it again but the pika girl vote has done so much harm to this game because both sides were negatively effected

the proposal in itself isn’t a bad idea with some tuning but i feel like over the past however many years stuff like this has been futile because nobody has the balls to make a massive change and we just sit here in a cycle while the hole gets deeper and deeper, making it harder and harder to get out of it.

also there is stuff in the RC that isn’t technically “unrankable” like missnaps and low difficulty checks so it’s not as simple as one might think. I’m all for promoting more BNs but i think it’s more of an issue of the application process being super tedious. honestly it feels like most of the applications get rejected because they CANT check for RC stuff. 90% of modding is ranking criteria stuff and understanding what should and shouldn’t be said in a mod when it comes to “mapper’s intentions”, and that’s most of the reasons why ppl get rejected, because they can’t do those two things