Imperial Circus Dead Decadence - Yuuaku no Inori - Anima immortalis est. - by Camo

yeah ngl I would expect a camo winter collab on this song to be like almost 11 stars lmao

I remember talking to itswinter whenever I got the first preview of the song and her and I were like how in the world are we not gonna make this a ridiculously hard map that two people in the whole tournament can manageably play without forcing really clunky moments

it’s funny that the only part that I mapped that I think turned out really well was during the 211bpm tensei part lol

hahaha i think i just had owc tiebreakers on the mind

though there is something to be said about how sensibilities have changed since 2019, it was only a couple years removed from tengaku after all. pooling has evolved radically since then for better and for worse and there are certainly things that would have flown then and not now (idk if the triangle is one of those things though)

"you lose the space for moments like the -tournament map pattern-"

like u aren't wrong but it's just really funny that u unfortunately picked one of the first tournament customs ever to use as an example of something tournament maps would never be allowed to do nowadays

I mean it's definitely true that most or all customs are made worse by being in tournaments (even the maps i really like), just cuz there's specific restraints necessary for balanced play

probably most impactful is the tendency against difficulty spikes in favor of a flatter difficulty curve -- if you've ever played a super diffspikey map in a tournament match you know this is for the better in terms of competition, but it also completely neuters the contrast and the map is less engaging for it

in this case it's the reason the whole map feels super... idk muddy or messy to me, when every part of the map has to go hard and nothing can stand out too much you lose the space for moments like the gens darmes tornado stream or whatever. though tbh diffspikes are more acceptable when even the easy parts will see lots of breaks lol

it's a weird case where the map could benefit from more restraint across the board (rhythm and stylistic choices) but also could use less restraint so the most impactful bits are actually impactful. i guess a better distribution of it, or something

most of these criticisms can be levied against beomsan kegare but I can actually play that map instead of just looking at it in the editor and I think it's fun soooooooo

no honestly i agree with you

Its not that I dont like tournament mapping, its mostly just TBs, other slots don't really have the same issue but Tie Breakers are so heavily restricted that it kinda causes alot of problems :(

u really do not like tournament mapping do u

This is gonna sound diabolical considering its 9.45 stars but this map feels so heavily held back by it being a tournament custom :( would def love to see Camo remap it without any restrictions cuz that shits gonna be 11 stars xD

yeah it’s a valid thing to say that the fact this was for a tourney held it back to which i do agree. Ngl when i was told this was gonna be mostly 270bpm i immediately thought about how hard it was going to be to make this both a good map (at least for my own parts of the collab) while keeping it at a “reasonable” level of difficulty for players in the grand finals. think someday i want to map it as my own without any restrictions but yeah

I wrote a few paragraphs on this but honestly i think my ideals are just not suited for a tournament map and that if i had it my way it would be worse for that purpose. So i dont know

s/o winter for colorhaxing this w me an hr before reveal

fun