deleted my last reply bc it turns out I had just misattributed something, it's all good now. I'm sorry to kind of cause a scene here, I just want people to be good to each other.
if u really think the determining factor of whether it's ok to be rude is whether the person gets hurt then we have a problem beyond the scope of this conversation
no bro this is like level 0 excuse for being an ass. you unequivocally did not just say what you disliked about the map. there is a clear difference between -
"ugly ass overlaps" vs "overlaps I don't like"
"random ass jumps" vs "jumps i didnt like"
"fucking this <pattern>" vs. "this pattern i didn't like"
i know this is far from the worst example of toxicity but i gotta be real i am so sick of you putting people down for nothing. stop acting like you're entitled to be mean
anyway I do think criticism is important in any community like this, I hope that isn't getting lost in my words here. I just prefer to look at maps through a lens of the purpose they *do* serve in the game, much like james just described, and I wish more people realized you can criticize a map while also having respect for that. those two things can coexist. that's all
also perhaps this is just the language barrier kicking in like you said but I never, ever tried to justify the map by calling it "creative". the phrase "creative decisions" is not positive or negative, "creative" is simply a word that describes one's artistic direction. and again, you are fully allowed to disagree with one's artistic direction in a way that recognizes that they are also allowed to have one
app you know I never tried to defend this map's decisions or even say that it's good, I'm just trying to get you to engage with it in a constructive way. I find it destructive to be abrasive towards a mapper who I know for a fact has intentions that have nothing to do with you. I do *not* find it destructive to dislike a map. there is a clear, distinct difference between those two things.
it is so sad how plainly and clearly you can explain the problem you see with something and how it will just get driven into the ground every time. i don't get it
...better? i expected people to be decent to each other? if you'd like to make excuses for our community's social norms, go right ahead. i'd rather try to change them
imma be real with u i wouldnt want to be running a rating website either if half the time people disagree with a creative decision they frame it as this visceral source of shock and disgust
i think surely at this point u must realize honeysticks just likes mapping jumps... i mean that doesnt mean you have to like the map or think the jumps work well in it but like. theyre just having fun
i do know what you're talking about but that is a distinction that is used in other contexts... the original question is clearly just talking about any kind of music that has been mapped in the game
also if you DO mean oldest recording, there's this mania map of giant steps which was recorded in 1960 /s/1592995 (although it's loved, not ranked)... probably the oldest i can think of
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deleted my last reply bc it turns out I had just misattributed something, it's all good now. I'm sorry to kind of cause a scene here, I just want people to be good to each other.
can you leave me alone man
@melloe yeah, tree frog was wafer's main inspiration for this map. i personally didnt pick up on that when i was modding but it makes a lot of sense
aight fair enough
if u really think the determining factor of whether it's ok to be rude is whether the person gets hurt then we have a problem beyond the scope of this conversation
no bro this is like level 0 excuse for being an ass. you unequivocally did not just say what you disliked about the map. there is a clear difference between -
"ugly ass overlaps" vs "overlaps I don't like"
"random ass jumps" vs "jumps i didnt like"
"fucking this <pattern>" vs. "this pattern i didn't like"
i know this is far from the worst example of toxicity but i gotta be real i am so sick of you putting people down for nothing. stop acting like you're entitled to be mean
anyway I do think criticism is important in any community like this, I hope that isn't getting lost in my words here. I just prefer to look at maps through a lens of the purpose they *do* serve in the game, much like james just described, and I wish more people realized you can criticize a map while also having respect for that. those two things can coexist. that's all
also perhaps this is just the language barrier kicking in like you said but I never, ever tried to justify the map by calling it "creative". the phrase "creative decisions" is not positive or negative, "creative" is simply a word that describes one's artistic direction. and again, you are fully allowed to disagree with one's artistic direction in a way that recognizes that they are also allowed to have one
app you know I never tried to defend this map's decisions or even say that it's good, I'm just trying to get you to engage with it in a constructive way. I find it destructive to be abrasive towards a mapper who I know for a fact has intentions that have nothing to do with you. I do *not* find it destructive to dislike a map. there is a clear, distinct difference between those two things.
like i genuinely dont know how i could have made it any more clear that my problem is not with people just giving their opinions
it is so sad how plainly and clearly you can explain the problem you see with something and how it will just get driven into the ground every time. i don't get it
...better? i expected people to be decent to each other? if you'd like to make excuses for our community's social norms, go right ahead. i'd rather try to change them
imma be real with u i wouldnt want to be running a rating website either if half the time people disagree with a creative decision they frame it as this visceral source of shock and disgust
see yeah this is what i dont get like ur allowed to dislike something but an osu map should never "offend" you what does that even mean
i think surely at this point u must realize honeysticks just likes mapping jumps... i mean that doesnt mean you have to like the map or think the jumps work well in it but like. theyre just having fun
this is quite the hill to die on
ur not a vibe bro
please stop
omg yeah forgot abt that one
oh wow
i do know what you're talking about but that is a distinction that is used in other contexts... the original question is clearly just talking about any kind of music that has been mapped in the game
are you trolling
also if you DO mean oldest recording, there's this mania map of giant steps which was recorded in 1960 /s/1592995 (although it's loved, not ranked)... probably the oldest i can think of
dude what