Thats like such a strawman I refuse to believe you seriously believed you were addressing my intent when I wrote it. Anyway I'm so glad we made a website where we made it so people can be even nastier about mapping with social stigma against creators in a artistic hobby. That is absolutely just what a volunteer creation hobby needed omg.
okay well i don't think half the things in this comment section are meant to be expressed either (especially directly to the mapper) so i think it's fair!
no its definitely not, this is definitely uniquely my own, but i think most of these dunks are coming from the same place that the dunks on HW did after reading this comment section
@toki thank you for a well thought out response, and I really appreciate the apology for some thoughtless comments. I'd also like to thank you for clearly articulating your issues with the map because while I'm not in agreement with them it does help me understand where you're coming from. I have the holds and kicks segregated in a way that's tied to musical phrasing (for example, the first three like 00:07:946 (1,2,3) are always holds, while the next 4 are always kicks, this phrasing based methodology occurs all over the map 00:15:219 (1) and 01:06:128 (1) where in these later parts it's intended to make the sv changes easier to read, the idea is that the snappings are the same based on where you are in the leitmotif and are consistent throughout) but i definitely see how it could be offputting to those preferring a more intuitive and easy to read determinant such as pitch. This does help me understand where some are coming from.
I actually wasn't just leaving a bad review on your map though, your review made me realize I hadn't seen anything of yours other than parts on collabs so I downloaded a random solo map and my issue with it was that the deletion of 5 notes dropped the map a third of a star which I don't think really suits the throwback style.
people are now making this into something this isn't at all. some are making this out like i'm trying to tell people how and what to rate (which just isn't my intent here, my intent here is to talk about the review bombing and nasty comments that actually do occur on this website, and while there are legitimate negative ratings i wasn't trying to address those), i saw a video showing this discussion and then talking about how it was a mystery how some maps got rated so well while scrolling through the best of all time page, which is absolutely nonsensical given that my own ratings of those maps are really high (sentimental skyscraper 4.5, xnor 5, nhelv 5, goodbye 4.5, etc.) and i think some bad apples in the community is just using the discussion in order to blow things out of proportion and spread misinformation about my beliefs so i'm going to do my best to not respond further.
i want to thank everyone who came to this discussion and provided well-thought responses. goodbye for now o/
this definitely is a straw that broke the camel's back situation but also the response (before everyone piled in here) was literally one (1) sentence. and it was a deliberate choice to try have this discussion in my own comment section.
why is the entirety of omdb getting a pass for being this upset over a single setence unless perhaps it actually is just being hit where it hurts, and i'm being told i'm "overreacting" for writing thoughtful responses to the most constructive comments?
i'm definitely not crashing out but rather trying to accurately articulate my issues, and mostly responding to people with serious comments rather than provocations.
as for the stuff about a couple mediocre ratings, and the rating spread, it's from the exact people (kaly, enryotoki, etc.) who've been antagonistic toward me all over the website and even admitting to lowering ratings based on personal opinions (which is, ironically, what the single sentence accused them of, treating mapping like sports teams), so i think its pretty obviously justified.
do i need to keep repeating its the nasty edgy comments like a broken record lol. it's not just reviews.
this is a hobby, not someone's job, and people want to do things that are uplifting in their free time when they have a job and an adult life to deal with.
instead of going to bat for bad behavior you should grow up and focus on being kind in the first place! it's free and keeps the hobby fun, and constructive critique is just as good! you should try it :)
anyway, i hear and understand that i'm not going about it the best way, and my apologies on that. but i do think that perhaps it should be understood that there are genuinely people who follow my activity around on this website with the intention of getting under my skin, you can fid some in this comment section. and this may be surprising but eventually it does get under my skin.
i'm a friendly person who likes to uplift our creative hobby at the end of the day, and i'm sorry if that doesn't come across better, but the uplifting kind comments i leave never seem to get the attention that the hate/drama clicks rake in. so i think people also may be skewing their perception a bit.
hey, i actually really appreciate your take. it seems earnest, and i respect that.
here's my response, which i also tried to make as earnest as i could:
i think that it's very hard for me to imagine someone looking at a map this inoffensive and feeling like, strong disgust. i think it's pretty heavily implied that if someone legitimately could articulate serious flaws with the construction, i would be not only willing but interested in hearing it. what i'm trying to get at, however, is that most, if not all of these people could not do that because they do not believe in these rating they are leaving. below a 3/10 would indicate beatmapping of SIGNIFICANTLY below average quality, and obvious, visible major contradictions in the map's design.
i don't think it's conceited to say, because i'm not saying this is the best map ever. personally, this is not my best work, nor even close to it. i just think that it's relatively mild and inoffensive compared to most of my mapping, and it's probably not true that coincidentally a group of people that dislike me personally also find major flaws with this map that there's also no explanation of in the comments.
i also did leave room for bad ratings that are not near the extreme end, because i'm not saying that no one could possible genuinely dislike this map. i'm trying to say that at best, these negative reactions are probably being overstated for the sake of a review bomb. now, whether people are overlooking these things i find to be tacitly implied by the accusation "people treat mapping on omdb like sports rather than a creative pursuit", or whether they are not obvious to others i cannot say. but to me i think that needing to write this essay feels strange, like somehow i need to spell everything out when i'm pretty sure it's obvious how i intended it. if it genuinely is not, i apologize. this isn't supposed to be about how no one could possibly dislike this map. this is supposed to be about it being rather obvious to me that the map is relatively inoffensive, and the gravity of these reviews points toward serious structural flaws that should be blatantly obvious, yet only see to be perceived by a group of people who dislike me personally and have offered no explanation. i think those factors make it obvious it's a group of people who want to stop me from "winning", rather than earnest opinions.
re: the culture of negativity, i'm pretty sure that the majority of people who do not use this website would agree with this, and the majority of users here are aware of this outside perception as it is discussed frequently especially in comment section arguments leading up to the shutdown. and if you look through any map that is popular to hate on this website you will find quite disparaging things being said about people's earnest creative efforts. i missed the mark with hfig, sure. that's my bad. however, i actually do think it is meaningful to push back on the comfort some people have here coming up with creative, edgy insults for people's passion projects. i may or may not be correct in how things will or won't change, but given that this website has taken such big shits on maps that have inspired me that it's demotivated people i admire (please read hifu's userpage if you don't believe that the things said about transhumanist did not affect them) i do feel a need to provide meaningful pushback.
and to me, if it's not obvious by now, the fact that people react the way they do to criticism that doesn't name names and instead just targets obvious misbehavior, even going so far as to follow me around to shit on the things i try to uplift, tells me that i'm right. to be so threatened and uncomfortable by criticizing their behavior that they identify themselves by name in response and act exactly in accordance tells me that on some level, there are people that understand that how they behave in this community is wrong. and even if it's agonizingly slow, i want to have these people out themselves in front of the community until eventually people decide that enough is enough.
i look forward to that day immensely. i think omdb would be a very good thing if it was carried out in the spirit of uplifting a creative hobby.
wait pause when you see it 💯
this actually still takes my #1 fav frakture map spot (optical is #2)
i dont go here im just stopping in to say ninore that might be like the best comment on omdb
its so over
but is that the most on the website of anything or no
does this have the most 0 rates on all of omdb
I gotta look at this
Actually true I'm really locked on mapping but modding process just drains my sauce like nothing else
i wish i had the juice to rank this
before y'all go back to feuding with the hitsounds anyone wanna kiss me goodnight
Thats like such a strawman I refuse to believe you seriously believed you were addressing my intent when I wrote it. Anyway I'm so glad we made a website where we made it so people can be even nastier about mapping with social stigma against creators in a artistic hobby. That is absolutely just what a volunteer creation hobby needed omg.
okay well i don't think half the things in this comment section are meant to be expressed either (especially directly to the mapper) so i think it's fair!
no its definitely not, this is definitely uniquely my own, but i think most of these dunks are coming from the same place that the dunks on HW did after reading this comment section
This isn't executed perfectly but I really think y'all would have dunked on hollow wings back in the day
Am I allowed to say something without everyone getting mad
@lovelase if you can hear me please come back 🥺🥺🥺
WAIT LOVELASE RATED THIS???
@toki thank you for a well thought out response, and I really appreciate the apology for some thoughtless comments. I'd also like to thank you for clearly articulating your issues with the map because while I'm not in agreement with them it does help me understand where you're coming from. I have the holds and kicks segregated in a way that's tied to musical phrasing (for example, the first three like 00:07:946 (1,2,3) are always holds, while the next 4 are always kicks, this phrasing based methodology occurs all over the map 00:15:219 (1) and 01:06:128 (1) where in these later parts it's intended to make the sv changes easier to read, the idea is that the snappings are the same based on where you are in the leitmotif and are consistent throughout) but i definitely see how it could be offputting to those preferring a more intuitive and easy to read determinant such as pitch. This does help me understand where some are coming from.
I actually wasn't just leaving a bad review on your map though, your review made me realize I hadn't seen anything of yours other than parts on collabs so I downloaded a random solo map and my issue with it was that the deletion of 5 notes dropped the map a third of a star which I don't think really suits the throwback style.
people are now making this into something this isn't at all. some are making this out like i'm trying to tell people how and what to rate (which just isn't my intent here, my intent here is to talk about the review bombing and nasty comments that actually do occur on this website, and while there are legitimate negative ratings i wasn't trying to address those), i saw a video showing this discussion and then talking about how it was a mystery how some maps got rated so well while scrolling through the best of all time page, which is absolutely nonsensical given that my own ratings of those maps are really high (sentimental skyscraper 4.5, xnor 5, nhelv 5, goodbye 4.5, etc.) and i think some bad apples in the community is just using the discussion in order to blow things out of proportion and spread misinformation about my beliefs so i'm going to do my best to not respond further.
i want to thank everyone who came to this discussion and provided well-thought responses. goodbye for now o/
this definitely is a straw that broke the camel's back situation but also the response (before everyone piled in here) was literally one (1) sentence. and it was a deliberate choice to try have this discussion in my own comment section.
why is the entirety of omdb getting a pass for being this upset over a single setence unless perhaps it actually is just being hit where it hurts, and i'm being told i'm "overreacting" for writing thoughtful responses to the most constructive comments?
i'm definitely not crashing out but rather trying to accurately articulate my issues, and mostly responding to people with serious comments rather than provocations.
as for the stuff about a couple mediocre ratings, and the rating spread, it's from the exact people (kaly, enryotoki, etc.) who've been antagonistic toward me all over the website and even admitting to lowering ratings based on personal opinions (which is, ironically, what the single sentence accused them of, treating mapping like sports teams), so i think its pretty obviously justified.
do i need to keep repeating its the nasty edgy comments like a broken record lol. it's not just reviews.
this is a hobby, not someone's job, and people want to do things that are uplifting in their free time when they have a job and an adult life to deal with.
instead of going to bat for bad behavior you should grow up and focus on being kind in the first place! it's free and keeps the hobby fun, and constructive critique is just as good! you should try it :)
anyway, i hear and understand that i'm not going about it the best way, and my apologies on that. but i do think that perhaps it should be understood that there are genuinely people who follow my activity around on this website with the intention of getting under my skin, you can fid some in this comment section. and this may be surprising but eventually it does get under my skin.
i'm a friendly person who likes to uplift our creative hobby at the end of the day, and i'm sorry if that doesn't come across better, but the uplifting kind comments i leave never seem to get the attention that the hate/drama clicks rake in. so i think people also may be skewing their perception a bit.
hey, i actually really appreciate your take. it seems earnest, and i respect that.
here's my response, which i also tried to make as earnest as i could:
i think that it's very hard for me to imagine someone looking at a map this inoffensive and feeling like, strong disgust. i think it's pretty heavily implied that if someone legitimately could articulate serious flaws with the construction, i would be not only willing but interested in hearing it. what i'm trying to get at, however, is that most, if not all of these people could not do that because they do not believe in these rating they are leaving. below a 3/10 would indicate beatmapping of SIGNIFICANTLY below average quality, and obvious, visible major contradictions in the map's design.
i don't think it's conceited to say, because i'm not saying this is the best map ever. personally, this is not my best work, nor even close to it. i just think that it's relatively mild and inoffensive compared to most of my mapping, and it's probably not true that coincidentally a group of people that dislike me personally also find major flaws with this map that there's also no explanation of in the comments.
i also did leave room for bad ratings that are not near the extreme end, because i'm not saying that no one could possible genuinely dislike this map. i'm trying to say that at best, these negative reactions are probably being overstated for the sake of a review bomb. now, whether people are overlooking these things i find to be tacitly implied by the accusation "people treat mapping on omdb like sports rather than a creative pursuit", or whether they are not obvious to others i cannot say. but to me i think that needing to write this essay feels strange, like somehow i need to spell everything out when i'm pretty sure it's obvious how i intended it. if it genuinely is not, i apologize. this isn't supposed to be about how no one could possibly dislike this map. this is supposed to be about it being rather obvious to me that the map is relatively inoffensive, and the gravity of these reviews points toward serious structural flaws that should be blatantly obvious, yet only see to be perceived by a group of people who dislike me personally and have offered no explanation. i think those factors make it obvious it's a group of people who want to stop me from "winning", rather than earnest opinions.
re: the culture of negativity, i'm pretty sure that the majority of people who do not use this website would agree with this, and the majority of users here are aware of this outside perception as it is discussed frequently especially in comment section arguments leading up to the shutdown. and if you look through any map that is popular to hate on this website you will find quite disparaging things being said about people's earnest creative efforts. i missed the mark with hfig, sure. that's my bad. however, i actually do think it is meaningful to push back on the comfort some people have here coming up with creative, edgy insults for people's passion projects. i may or may not be correct in how things will or won't change, but given that this website has taken such big shits on maps that have inspired me that it's demotivated people i admire (please read hifu's userpage if you don't believe that the things said about transhumanist did not affect them) i do feel a need to provide meaningful pushback.
and to me, if it's not obvious by now, the fact that people react the way they do to criticism that doesn't name names and instead just targets obvious misbehavior, even going so far as to follow me around to shit on the things i try to uplift, tells me that i'm right. to be so threatened and uncomfortable by criticizing their behavior that they identify themselves by name in response and act exactly in accordance tells me that on some level, there are people that understand that how they behave in this community is wrong. and even if it's agonizingly slow, i want to have these people out themselves in front of the community until eventually people decide that enough is enough.
i look forward to that day immensely. i think omdb would be a very good thing if it was carried out in the spirit of uplifting a creative hobby.
sooo.... in other words, i'm right to accuse you of treating mapping like sports