About "a great example being the playcount of Bang Bang during its qualification easily topping many maps that have been ranked for months, despite not awarding any pp by that point"; I can find at least 2 counterpoints to that:
-learn it to farm it faster(?) after it gets ranked
-play it literally just because it's popular (their friends play it so you do too),
however there are counterpoints:
-it's a song that I think most people would like (opposed to ayaya high pitch anime song nr. 3213)
-a lot of difficulties for every level player (plenty of high diffs to challenge yourself)
the only thing missing for the perfect "high playcount" formula is shorter length (3mins is on the longer side, but it might be less of a detriment than I think it is)
now I honestly don't know what matters more; the map ultimately being worth lots of pp , the map being a perfect comfort zone combo of "easy to consume" song + simple / generic / whatever style (ties in a bit with being worth lots of pp as "simple" maps are usually farmable in some way) or the map being popular which I think incentivises some to play it, I cba to research it, but you can find both types in most played (harumachi clover for short pp slop and big black for pure popularity)
about aeong's response to this point; I personally think the vast majority of maps in the game is "easy to consume", and "hard to consume" maps never have lots of plays because frankly I think they were not designed to really be played (I can elaborate on this if needed); when I think "hard to consume map" I think of Hailie because she was the loudest name back when I played the most, and even though I personally learned to enjoy her maps eventually it's obvious why they were unpopular and hated from a player's perspective, and yet there were lots of people who liked them regardless
as for "not valuing mapping in a critical sense" I think I agree with what Koish said entirely, even though I have friends who rarely ever play ANYTHING else in solo than the newest sotarks&co. slop they still have a taste and can justify it (why they like x map), even within the most "easily consumable" sets everyone I ever knew had a preference on who their "best farm" mapper was so I think that counts as "valuing mapping in a critical sense", I also think that they would completely quit bar maybe a multi session with others every once in a while if farm maps disappeared
in the end for both playing and mapping everyone has their own thoughts and saying that "the general public no longer values mapping in a critical sense" is just unfair, being around lots of player circles back in the day and now being into mapping and reading takes here I can confirm that for every mapper that thinks players are slop consuming zombies without an ability to think about what they play there is a player who thinks that sotarks is the antichrist and that player loves every map that's different (Hailie), doesn't matter if it's "good" or "bad"; he enjoys it
tl;dr everyone has their own opinions and based on that seeks enjoyment
rucham tę flotę więc nie ma tu opcji by nie dochodziła (nie ma!)
mapping is a business and I am a businessman
agent 5d
truly a kanye west through the wire type of moment
cool af
Happy birthday App!!
she can sing
if this is slept on I will be sad
Damn
About "a great example being the playcount of Bang Bang during its qualification easily topping many maps that have been ranked for months, despite not awarding any pp by that point"; I can find at least 2 counterpoints to that:
-learn it to farm it faster(?) after it gets ranked
-play it literally just because it's popular (their friends play it so you do too),
however there are counterpoints:
-it's a song that I think most people would like (opposed to ayaya high pitch anime song nr. 3213)
-a lot of difficulties for every level player (plenty of high diffs to challenge yourself)
the only thing missing for the perfect "high playcount" formula is shorter length (3mins is on the longer side, but it might be less of a detriment than I think it is)
now I honestly don't know what matters more; the map ultimately being worth lots of pp , the map being a perfect comfort zone combo of "easy to consume" song + simple / generic / whatever style (ties in a bit with being worth lots of pp as "simple" maps are usually farmable in some way) or the map being popular which I think incentivises some to play it, I cba to research it, but you can find both types in most played (harumachi clover for short pp slop and big black for pure popularity)
about aeong's response to this point; I personally think the vast majority of maps in the game is "easy to consume", and "hard to consume" maps never have lots of plays because frankly I think they were not designed to really be played (I can elaborate on this if needed); when I think "hard to consume map" I think of Hailie because she was the loudest name back when I played the most, and even though I personally learned to enjoy her maps eventually it's obvious why they were unpopular and hated from a player's perspective, and yet there were lots of people who liked them regardless
as for "not valuing mapping in a critical sense" I think I agree with what Koish said entirely, even though I have friends who rarely ever play ANYTHING else in solo than the newest sotarks&co. slop they still have a taste and can justify it (why they like x map), even within the most "easily consumable" sets everyone I ever knew had a preference on who their "best farm" mapper was so I think that counts as "valuing mapping in a critical sense", I also think that they would completely quit bar maybe a multi session with others every once in a while if farm maps disappeared
in the end for both playing and mapping everyone has their own thoughts and saying that "the general public no longer values mapping in a critical sense" is just unfair, being around lots of player circles back in the day and now being into mapping and reading takes here I can confirm that for every mapper that thinks players are slop consuming zombies without an ability to think about what they play there is a player who thinks that sotarks is the antichrist and that player loves every map that's different (Hailie), doesn't matter if it's "good" or "bad"; he enjoys it
tl;dr everyone has their own opinions and based on that seeks enjoyment
ar8 = 5 stars
sliders ruined mapping
coca cola
Vile remark
I forgot this existed!!
ona sika jak ją pukam
ква ква
definitely the worst one out of the ranked ones but not bad for a 1992 map
awesome song
cool !
actually genuinely top tier
good song good map good mapper good overall verygood !:) Not polish though I checked (Source; I am polish)
very fun
-0.5 for using too high ar
-0.5 because the beginning is actually so shit to play that I got stunned for a bit