Pinkshift - bathroom community by snyc

amazingly bad map and mp3 swap needed to even play

Pusha T is right

oh man...

the map is probably like a 1.5 for me but the song is so egregiously bad I got tinnitus when I turned it off

god i wish Pinkshift didnt remake the instrumental to this as well because the mp3 swap just does not work. i tried making one myself but it wasnt much better

LOL wtf is this

i cried. she cried. we crode

making the mp3 swap for this would be extremely high effort but i still think it would be worth so i dont have to listen to hyenas

i love pinkshift but this aint it :(

nightcore on this was a mistake

my goat dt'ing 8 stars out there

How can one sing so egregiously off-beat, this is lowkey impressive

NoNoNo

im tired boss

is it so ridiculous to suggest that im sick of people using one of the most beautiful displays of trans grief in music and translating it into this game as mindless self serving gameplay over and over again

actually people are just gonna misinterpret this comment to hell bc all anyones talking about is this cover being bad apparently so sorry guys

map so bad it gets called transphobic

cook

jokes aside I kinda agree

map misses its only purpose (being a comfortable jump map), cover of the song is shit, this is a masterpiece!

we genuinely cannot be serious bro

is this what they call "emphasis faking"? anyways i will refrain from talking about the song, map has some weird design choices, spacing almost always feels completely random idk

if this was just marketed as one of those funny covers like that achyoo idol then it would get better reception surely

chiikawa cover clears

it would suck if this specific cover is the only pinkshift music that ppl hear, i saw them live last month and they were awesome

Yeah pinkshift is such an amazing band but this cover really doesn't spotlights that so I hope people see their other stuff too

did listen to their newest album earlier today and the difference is like day & night

you know when it comes to maps with music I don't like I usually try to put that aside and judge the actual mapping on its own (though there's always some bias obv).
But when we're talking about covers I feel a lot less apprehensive to factor whether I like it or not since you've made a conscious choice to map this specific cover

day and night mentioned

I actually don't mind the cover, but the map itself makes me sad

tbf at least the cover is slightly better than the original

Your role is: Noisemaker

@kosi ???

im sorry but i just don't like glass beach :sob: nothing to do with the song content ofc

yeah

sum Dog

"i feel like i looked at a 4 star map with random 9 star jumps here and there" isn't that just what's happening in song itself

This feels like that 10* cold weather map that badeu hit that one time

is this the lowest rated map now or

ok yea I thought it wouldn't be too bad as usual with slop but this is literally horrible and this cover might be the absolute worst thing I ever heard I'd rather listen to nanahira for 20hrs than go through this once I think

How can this even be comfortable to play for ppl or is it not and is everyone who likes this lying to themselves it is so fking crazy to me how unplayable this is lol

chill

i dont think its ever actually been about being "comfortable". its abt how easy it is to hit compared to the perceived difficulty of the map, usually to do with star rating/pp -> this gives players the easiest access to dopamine response "holy fuck i did 10* godmode whitecat jumps!!!!!!!"

anyway do we really have to do it on the most emotionally charged song ever

from my experience the more comfortable the jumps the easier they are to hit but then this might be uncomfortable to me but comfortable to someone else

also I am surprised that the meaning of the song matters that much to you guys as if making a slop map was an insult to it or something; it allows for it better than all the other megasets (at least they didn't have to speed this one up!)

mindless self serving gameplay is pretty fair but realistically why does it matter? I'm curious no negative connotation here I just don't get it

map creation is a form of intercourse with the song

this is intensified by the fact that we are toeing the line between piracy and free-use when we do it; the least you can do is have some respect to the content you are using

but then why is this specific style disrespectful, what makes it so? low effort or what is the deciding factor? I think grid maps take less effort than this style to make, so if that is true then are grid maps also disrespectful? sorry if I sound condescending but I still don't get the argument, or rather I don't think slop is bad to the point of being actively disrespectful to the song (no style is because I don't see the connection here)

I guess if a map was made without any care at all then it would make sense to me but can you really know the amount of effort anyone put into any map? I think that would be an unfair assumption

also I don't really buy the piracy argument lol so making this on fa songs would be fine or what (I don't think any artist is going to DMCA specifically because of a map they disliked if that was the point somehow, and if it happened and I just didn't know I'd be extremely surprised lol)

"not respecting the song" in the context of this map is nothing more than an insult to show that you REALLY don't like the map, and personally i don't fuck with that

even tho i don't like it myself

yea it seems very personal and subjective which is fair enough but then statements like this are very wrong imo, I share your view @Evamare

also it's very fucking funny when we're talking about this specific cover but maybe it's so abysmal that you think it's disrespectfull to choose to map it that i can respect

i haven't sat and carefully looked at this map, but if you're willing to describe it as "slop" and "mindlessly self-serving gameplay" this indicates to me that the mapper is *using* the song to accomplish maybe-not-very-respectable goals, rather than engaging with it to create something greater.

i think of a dichotomy between, for want of better words, "one-directional utilization" vs. "symbiosis" in the attitude of the map / mapper to the song. if the song is trying to convey some significant emotional thing (or if people are attached to it in that way), to me it makes sense to view a map created with the former one-directional type of motivation as disrespectful to that; to anthrophomorphize further, a song like this is one with "agency" trying to do something, and a "one-directional" map is one which aims to overwrite the songs agency with something else, if that makes any sense.

this is orthogonal to the level of effort that went into the map

if you agree with this as applying to say clip farm / pp farm maps (the most unambiguously "one-directional" types of map) then i guess the only dispute here is whether the current map in question is also on the same end of the spectrum or not -- i have no opinion to contribute there

yeah i see your point, but i still think that person is valid to find this akatsuki farm style fun to play so he's not necessarily disrespecting the song, so this phrasing just comes as an insult to him

"mindless self serving gameplay" is what Kataryn used and "slop" to me is just a name for this style (even if obviously negatively charged; I personally don't think so and there are many different types of "slop" to me and aim slop is just one of them)

and yeah overall I disagree (wouldn't put too much value on song meaning in context of osu maps personally) but fair enough that view makes sense

if i managed to convey something about what i feel then im glad

it's true these kinds of responses are rude to the mapper, and i think they're better off kept out of public discussion

it ties in with the concept of "low-brow vs. high-brow" which is an ugly almost classist aspect of art criticism

also

> (wouldn't put too much value on song meaning in context of osu maps personally)

this is a viewpoint which makes me very sad

i may just have no artistic balls to objectively criticise specific mapping values but for me the only situation where it's correct to force your perspective is when the active harm is made, and if you think farm slop killed this game or something then it's okay but hey i myself enjoy 2018 sotarks sometimes

is osu beatmapping so serious that making a generic map with 'comfortable' jumps is a disrespect to the song itself

why sad? I was gonna say that I'm not very into the artistic parts of mapping but I realised in general I'm not into "artistic things" and I deem a lot of stuff as form over substance, simpler or more relatable media are more powerful to me usually (let me use an anime example - many people I know really liked the plot of Sonny Boy, for me it was extremely form over substance because the thing it was trying to convey was so obvious to me that it didn't need all of this abstractness)

and I think the same way about osu maps, I just wouldn't consider the song meaning as one of the aspects which matter to me because ultimately if I like the song, if I like the visuals in the map and if it plays well then that is enough for a great map

I can't really word how I feel about this too well but in short I think that treating osu maps as mostly video game levels is fine, and in that context the actual meaning behind the song does not matter much

that being said I don't mean to say that only simple maps are good or anything of the sort it's just more so I can't ever enjoy stuff like this underscores - Uncanny long arms (with Jane Remover) (wafer) because in the 3 criteria I listed:

- the song is whatever for me,
- I don't think the gameplay is very good
- visually I don't like it as well

so any and all artistic value is completely lost on me from the get go

that sentence i wrote was off-hand, idk if i would go so far to say that its disrespectful just that its disappointing when the song is just used as an accessory to the map, rather than the map trying to do something transformative with the song.

also, you can see maps as just levels in a game sure. but art is atleast part of game design (and arguably game design is an artform in itself)

also u say u like when theres good visuals is that not an artistic thing

good visuals aid gameplay so yes and no I guess, I think it's too complex to rly like make it either one or the other, either way I wouldn't call placing a triangle or a blanket in a map art per se

i feel 95% of the visuals ppl do is to be pretty or express smth rather than to aid gameplay lol mybe thats just me

imagine if they only let mathematicians talk about anything

this is the most normal map of all time you guys should be rating holoaz connect instead

0.67

"the mapper is *using* the song to accomplish maybe-not-very-respectable goals"

yeah

i mean i dont think a farm mapper ever intends to have this effect, i do think they map these songs because they like them, but they create a product that will get popular for reasons that have literally completely nothing to do with the song and i wouldn't say the same goes for maps that express more than one idea

gotta be real with you guys though i dont think i have the capacity to expand on this one too much more. i have been trying to read the room for a while that maybe i just care too much about music in this game that would not exist without music

Look at the end we have ppl on both sides of this and that is what's beautiful now we can all hold hands be happy and vote 0 on this horrible fucking map ❤️

just a reminder that glass beach's original popularity in this game came from multiple sets that did the exact same shit as this, and the band is currently a featured artist with a BAND APPROVED artist page acknowledging this fact https://dooperland.s-ul.eu/YG9PLW7j, is it really anti song or are we just overthinking it because its farm, (Yes i do dislike this map before anyone gets on me for this, i just think the point being made here is inheritedly anti art for the sake of personal anger rather than a coherent point)

agree with doops, unfortunately - or fortunately, depending on your viewpoint, clipfarm maps (or pp maps, or slop, or whatever you wanna call it) are always gonna be popular.

If this is what it takes for new artists to hear about their music be in osu and for them to become FA, then so be it.

With that being said, this case is kinda special because Pinkshift isn't really adding anything new here. Glass beach is already a featured artist, all she did was do a (horrendous) cover of a good song. And if that's the first impression that mappers want to promote of a featured artist (with a terrible map at that), I think it's doing both the game and the artist a massive disservice.

also ngl worth acknowledging that this map isn’t really farm at all. it’s patterns are not “optimised” to the point that’s significant from any other NM 8 star aim maps, and it being NM itself and lower OD means you gain even less pp. marathons are also not very retryable to achieve pp goals - evidently, the leaderboard is rather empty
i know that stuff like farm slop wtv all these words are thrown around like buzzwords to get the agenda of one’s choosing across but yea

like, would you rather play this or play slowmotion for an easy 600

I would rather play a P_O seleP grid map and fc it in 1 try for an easy 600 that is what I would do but ppl this map is meant for would get cross eyed looking at ar lower than 11 so yea to each their own bro it's literally all subjective all of it (the entirety (100% of it))

and if the point is that it isn't even farm then it fails at literally everything

needs a normal diff

is the assumption being made that the map was made for pp and nothing else

who said it was farm tho all i've gathered is comfortable/clip farmy

i agree with those descriptors but eome of the earlier replies referenced farm mappers and their motivations and such

anyway points about the map itself aside i personally think that trying to judge the ethicality of a person’s motivation to make video game levels is a little unhinged, and not thinking so / deeping it further than that is ok if u want to (everyone enjoys osu differently of course) but its not really reasonable to expect others to aswell

osu is what you make of it anyway - the game doesn’t really give you much else than the grid, the circles and the sliders. i just can’t help but wonder whether a lot of discourse stems from people’s mindsets hurting the game experience for themselves

best of zach 2 best of best of zach 2

i am oppenheimer, destroyer of worlds (also who cares what a map should be doing, this map is just not very good at what it tries to do and should be judged accordingly)

to be clear bro i DONT expect other people to think this way. i brought up the themes of trans grief in the first place because im trans, its completely personal. it is just the way that combines into my broader frustrations with the habits of this game's ecosystem that makes me upset

but really perhaps what that means is we are doing the thing again where we catch fish too big for one map's comment section to fry

fair enough

fried fish🤤🤤

co za gniot xd