is it so ridiculous to suggest that im sick of people using one of the most beautiful displays of trans grief in music and translating it into this game as mindless self serving gameplay over and over again
thanks for taking the time to write this, it might feel self-indulgent but i love when i get to hear peoples thought processes like this. it was new to me that you're very self-aware of how your maps project. in my opinion you do have a really good handle on what more people might desire
one of the reasons this caught my eye is because the patterns you’re talking about in wyits stars map are the same ones that changed me as a mapper. the thing about those patterns that’s always been the most important to me is the horizontal symmetry, because beyond just involving the center of the screen, they’re entirely structurally dependent around the center of the screen. that’s what gives it the contrast that makes you raise your eyebrows at it - you mention being afraid of what’s too obvious, but those patterns are super duper obvious. when you pair that with a starkly unique part of the song, like the specific guitar line in stars that wyit picked out to do the symmetry on, thats why it hits
i think whats most important here though is that harnessing raw patterning ability is not the key to creative fulfillment anyway. you could spend a lot of time grinding something like visual spacing consistency but the mathematically perfect collection of objects at the end of the rainbow will still not be thoughtful or enjoyable unless you have projected your own desires onto it. this is why i actually wouldnt recommend something like mentorship as a means to this end - everything creatively satisfying is going to come from you and what you want.
*knowing* what you want is a different challenge. i’ve talked to a number of friends who have the same struggle you express with just generating ideas, or at least i think that’s what you mean when you talk about the mental effort it took to make this map, and it’s always tough to have an answer because i managed to avoid that right off the bat. like, when i was starting to map, i was in high school, and i would often zone out and just doodle patterns in class. i had too many ideas. i don’t mean to present that as a cool or positive thing about myself, i’m mainly just using it to say that i don’t know how people map without having adhd. it’s like the one thing that i can’t give any good advice on, besides just looking at other people’s maps to collect cool shapes in your brain, which i have to assume you’ve done a lot of
if it’s any consolation, i can give input on what you did do. i think for sure my favorite pattern in your map is the 3/4 line sliders at 01:59:221 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , 02:06:004 (1,2,3,4) - , etc. its a very distinct and pishi-core idea, in fact it feels like the type of thing you’d see in the thank you scientist map that he ranked this year. i know saying “do more stuff like that” isnt exceedingly helpful for the problem i’ve just described, but i hope its better than nothing
anyway regardless of all of this its really nice to hear from your above comment that mapping is still fun for you no matter how insecure it can feel to keep pushing yourself, and that goes for anything creative. when you decide to finish a map i hope the greatest reason is that you felt like it
personally i appreciate that the rc proposals in the forums allow for public input but unless the response is literally support from top to bottom i dont think they ever get looked at? which means if the topic is mildly controversial nothing will ever get done about it. i would really like if the NAT just instated some sort of way that the BNG can convene on general issues in this game so we dont have to continue this charade forever
this is yet another area in this game where we seem to just be subjecting ourselves to making up the rules as we go? i've heard "you cant rank dmcaed songs" countless times from so many people but it's not in writing anywhere so stuff like this just happens.
reminds me of the stuff thats apparently gone down recently about backgrounds being relevant to the song. nobody actually knows whether thats ok and nobody wants to have a real, official convention about it. or when we found out nobody knew what that "diffnames must not solely consist of one or more usernames" rule meant and trying to figure it out just got everyone more pissed
being relative to other review websites is important here bc this website was a passion child of the rym format. i mean i assume you know that and thats why you brought it up but. it feels like people dont appreciate that context and just want this to be a hub
to be clear this is only addressing your last comment. i have no idea what the move is with comment visibility, because i do think that's a huge part of how people get around on this website. you see a comment and its interesting and you click on the map
also i scrolled up further and realized the "high quality and high effort" thing was taken from something apollo said so i get you more now but pls realize when they say "higher quality and higher effort" the current bar is really really low. theyre not saying people should be writing essays
for what its worth, one of the big reasons i semi-quit was because people in this community see attempts at being constructive and write it off as pretentious immediately. apollo does not expect people to write high quality or high effort reviews, they just want people to express genuine thoughts. i mean thats literally what it says in the placeholder text for the reviews box, you can read it next to this comment.
that being said, this kind of works to your point. i dont trust people to be genuine either, and idk how well its gonna go to champion reviews because of that. but you have to realize its a means to promote honest and meaningful discussion. if that literally cant work with the audience of this game, i dont think they have an interest in whatever else this site serves as. it's already been shut down once
actually people are just gonna misinterpret this comment to hell bc all anyones talking about is this cover being bad apparently so sorry guys
is it so ridiculous to suggest that im sick of people using one of the most beautiful displays of trans grief in music and translating it into this game as mindless self serving gameplay over and over again
im tired boss
Ts still awesome
also yea thats pretty much exactly my thoughts too blixys
@akari i know now and thats insane
you can try to detach mapping from art all you want but the problem you are having is an art problem. its hard to talk about abstract things
still one of my all time faves
yeah this is awesome
wow thats a great clip. real af
very funny 2023 comment and i get why i liked this so much but man this map got nothing but drums
Real af hobbes ar8.5 insanes forever
thanks for taking the time to write this, it might feel self-indulgent but i love when i get to hear peoples thought processes like this. it was new to me that you're very self-aware of how your maps project. in my opinion you do have a really good handle on what more people might desire
one of the reasons this caught my eye is because the patterns you’re talking about in wyits stars map are the same ones that changed me as a mapper. the thing about those patterns that’s always been the most important to me is the horizontal symmetry, because beyond just involving the center of the screen, they’re entirely structurally dependent around the center of the screen. that’s what gives it the contrast that makes you raise your eyebrows at it - you mention being afraid of what’s too obvious, but those patterns are super duper obvious. when you pair that with a starkly unique part of the song, like the specific guitar line in stars that wyit picked out to do the symmetry on, thats why it hits
i think whats most important here though is that harnessing raw patterning ability is not the key to creative fulfillment anyway. you could spend a lot of time grinding something like visual spacing consistency but the mathematically perfect collection of objects at the end of the rainbow will still not be thoughtful or enjoyable unless you have projected your own desires onto it. this is why i actually wouldnt recommend something like mentorship as a means to this end - everything creatively satisfying is going to come from you and what you want.
*knowing* what you want is a different challenge. i’ve talked to a number of friends who have the same struggle you express with just generating ideas, or at least i think that’s what you mean when you talk about the mental effort it took to make this map, and it’s always tough to have an answer because i managed to avoid that right off the bat. like, when i was starting to map, i was in high school, and i would often zone out and just doodle patterns in class. i had too many ideas. i don’t mean to present that as a cool or positive thing about myself, i’m mainly just using it to say that i don’t know how people map without having adhd. it’s like the one thing that i can’t give any good advice on, besides just looking at other people’s maps to collect cool shapes in your brain, which i have to assume you’ve done a lot of
if it’s any consolation, i can give input on what you did do. i think for sure my favorite pattern in your map is the 3/4 line sliders at 01:59:221 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , 02:06:004 (1,2,3,4) - , etc. its a very distinct and pishi-core idea, in fact it feels like the type of thing you’d see in the thank you scientist map that he ranked this year. i know saying “do more stuff like that” isnt exceedingly helpful for the problem i’ve just described, but i hope its better than nothing
anyway regardless of all of this its really nice to hear from your above comment that mapping is still fun for you no matter how insecure it can feel to keep pushing yourself, and that goes for anything creative. when you decide to finish a map i hope the greatest reason is that you felt like it
bitch like tupac?? you got a tupac horse in your game???
anyway i have never seen someone put more raw effort into a map so i think this is pretty cool we love you blixys
guy who has never heard of underscores: is the horseshoe in the album cover an umamusume reference
does anyone have any ideas at all
personally i appreciate that the rc proposals in the forums allow for public input but unless the response is literally support from top to bottom i dont think they ever get looked at? which means if the topic is mildly controversial nothing will ever get done about it. i would really like if the NAT just instated some sort of way that the BNG can convene on general issues in this game so we dont have to continue this charade forever
this is yet another area in this game where we seem to just be subjecting ourselves to making up the rules as we go? i've heard "you cant rank dmcaed songs" countless times from so many people but it's not in writing anywhere so stuff like this just happens.
reminds me of the stuff thats apparently gone down recently about backgrounds being relevant to the song. nobody actually knows whether thats ok and nobody wants to have a real, official convention about it. or when we found out nobody knew what that "diffnames must not solely consist of one or more usernames" rule meant and trying to figure it out just got everyone more pissed
i think it is fun to make a map for someone to use : )
being relative to other review websites is important here bc this website was a passion child of the rym format. i mean i assume you know that and thats why you brought it up but. it feels like people dont appreciate that context and just want this to be a hub
thank you for a real take
to be clear this is only addressing your last comment. i have no idea what the move is with comment visibility, because i do think that's a huge part of how people get around on this website. you see a comment and its interesting and you click on the map
also i scrolled up further and realized the "high quality and high effort" thing was taken from something apollo said so i get you more now but pls realize when they say "higher quality and higher effort" the current bar is really really low. theyre not saying people should be writing essays
for what its worth, one of the big reasons i semi-quit was because people in this community see attempts at being constructive and write it off as pretentious immediately. apollo does not expect people to write high quality or high effort reviews, they just want people to express genuine thoughts. i mean thats literally what it says in the placeholder text for the reviews box, you can read it next to this comment.
that being said, this kind of works to your point. i dont trust people to be genuine either, and idk how well its gonna go to champion reviews because of that. but you have to realize its a means to promote honest and meaningful discussion. if that literally cant work with the audience of this game, i dont think they have an interest in whatever else this site serves as. it's already been shut down once
no but the girl version is just "lady" so you kinda just gotta full send "my queen" or smth at that point