also i just realized its a full sheet of staff paper and the time signature is just scribbled across the whole thing. no notes needed. just 3/4. thats all you need to know. go play it. go
to be clear bro i DONT expect other people to think this way. i brought up the themes of trans grief in the first place because im trans, its completely personal. it is just the way that combines into my broader frustrations with the habits of this game's ecosystem that makes me upset
gotta be real with you guys though i dont think i have the capacity to expand on this one too much more. i have been trying to read the room for a while that maybe i just care too much about music in this game that would not exist without music
i mean i dont think a farm mapper ever intends to have this effect, i do think they map these songs because they like them, but they create a product that will get popular for reasons that have literally completely nothing to do with the song and i wouldn't say the same goes for maps that express more than one idea
is it so ridiculous to suggest that im sick of people using one of the most beautiful displays of trans grief in music and translating it into this game as mindless self serving gameplay over and over again
thanks for taking the time to write this, it might feel self-indulgent but i love when i get to hear peoples thought processes like this. it was new to me that you're very self-aware of how your maps project. in my opinion you do have a really good handle on what more people might desire
one of the reasons this caught my eye is because the patterns you’re talking about in wyits stars map are the same ones that changed me as a mapper. the thing about those patterns that’s always been the most important to me is the horizontal symmetry, because beyond just involving the center of the screen, they’re entirely structurally dependent around the center of the screen. that’s what gives it the contrast that makes you raise your eyebrows at it - you mention being afraid of what’s too obvious, but those patterns are super duper obvious. when you pair that with a starkly unique part of the song, like the specific guitar line in stars that wyit picked out to do the symmetry on, thats why it hits
i think whats most important here though is that harnessing raw patterning ability is not the key to creative fulfillment anyway. you could spend a lot of time grinding something like visual spacing consistency but the mathematically perfect collection of objects at the end of the rainbow will still not be thoughtful or enjoyable unless you have projected your own desires onto it. this is why i actually wouldnt recommend something like mentorship as a means to this end - everything creatively satisfying is going to come from you and what you want.
*knowing* what you want is a different challenge. i’ve talked to a number of friends who have the same struggle you express with just generating ideas, or at least i think that’s what you mean when you talk about the mental effort it took to make this map, and it’s always tough to have an answer because i managed to avoid that right off the bat. like, when i was starting to map, i was in high school, and i would often zone out and just doodle patterns in class. i had too many ideas. i don’t mean to present that as a cool or positive thing about myself, i’m mainly just using it to say that i don’t know how people map without having adhd. it’s like the one thing that i can’t give any good advice on, besides just looking at other people’s maps to collect cool shapes in your brain, which i have to assume you’ve done a lot of
if it’s any consolation, i can give input on what you did do. i think for sure my favorite pattern in your map is the 3/4 line sliders at 01:59:221 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , 02:06:004 (1,2,3,4) - , etc. its a very distinct and pishi-core idea, in fact it feels like the type of thing you’d see in the thank you scientist map that he ranked this year. i know saying “do more stuff like that” isnt exceedingly helpful for the problem i’ve just described, but i hope its better than nothing
anyway regardless of all of this its really nice to hear from your above comment that mapping is still fun for you no matter how insecure it can feel to keep pushing yourself, and that goes for anything creative. when you decide to finish a map i hope the greatest reason is that you felt like it
its lit
this guy plays word bomb
not a mistake it's fire
also i just realized its a full sheet of staff paper and the time signature is just scribbled across the whole thing. no notes needed. just 3/4. thats all you need to know. go play it. go
still thinking about this bg. genuinely would be psychopath behavior to unironically count this song in 3/4
omdb is a really cool website because if you want you can just kind of log on and give a wyit map a 4 and then log off and then keep doing that
but really perhaps what that means is we are doing the thing again where we catch fish too big for one map's comment section to fry
to be clear bro i DONT expect other people to think this way. i brought up the themes of trans grief in the first place because im trans, its completely personal. it is just the way that combines into my broader frustrations with the habits of this game's ecosystem that makes me upset
gotta be real with you guys though i dont think i have the capacity to expand on this one too much more. i have been trying to read the room for a while that maybe i just care too much about music in this game that would not exist without music
i mean i dont think a farm mapper ever intends to have this effect, i do think they map these songs because they like them, but they create a product that will get popular for reasons that have literally completely nothing to do with the song and i wouldn't say the same goes for maps that express more than one idea
"the mapper is *using* the song to accomplish maybe-not-very-respectable goals"
yeah
if they knew the offset was wrong wouldnt they have just changed the offset...
actually people are just gonna misinterpret this comment to hell bc all anyones talking about is this cover being bad apparently so sorry guys
is it so ridiculous to suggest that im sick of people using one of the most beautiful displays of trans grief in music and translating it into this game as mindless self serving gameplay over and over again
im tired boss
Ts still awesome
also yea thats pretty much exactly my thoughts too blixys
@akari i know now and thats insane
you can try to detach mapping from art all you want but the problem you are having is an art problem. its hard to talk about abstract things
still one of my all time faves
yeah this is awesome
wow thats a great clip. real af
very funny 2023 comment and i get why i liked this so much but man this map got nothing but drums
Real af hobbes ar8.5 insanes forever
thanks for taking the time to write this, it might feel self-indulgent but i love when i get to hear peoples thought processes like this. it was new to me that you're very self-aware of how your maps project. in my opinion you do have a really good handle on what more people might desire
one of the reasons this caught my eye is because the patterns you’re talking about in wyits stars map are the same ones that changed me as a mapper. the thing about those patterns that’s always been the most important to me is the horizontal symmetry, because beyond just involving the center of the screen, they’re entirely structurally dependent around the center of the screen. that’s what gives it the contrast that makes you raise your eyebrows at it - you mention being afraid of what’s too obvious, but those patterns are super duper obvious. when you pair that with a starkly unique part of the song, like the specific guitar line in stars that wyit picked out to do the symmetry on, thats why it hits
i think whats most important here though is that harnessing raw patterning ability is not the key to creative fulfillment anyway. you could spend a lot of time grinding something like visual spacing consistency but the mathematically perfect collection of objects at the end of the rainbow will still not be thoughtful or enjoyable unless you have projected your own desires onto it. this is why i actually wouldnt recommend something like mentorship as a means to this end - everything creatively satisfying is going to come from you and what you want.
*knowing* what you want is a different challenge. i’ve talked to a number of friends who have the same struggle you express with just generating ideas, or at least i think that’s what you mean when you talk about the mental effort it took to make this map, and it’s always tough to have an answer because i managed to avoid that right off the bat. like, when i was starting to map, i was in high school, and i would often zone out and just doodle patterns in class. i had too many ideas. i don’t mean to present that as a cool or positive thing about myself, i’m mainly just using it to say that i don’t know how people map without having adhd. it’s like the one thing that i can’t give any good advice on, besides just looking at other people’s maps to collect cool shapes in your brain, which i have to assume you’ve done a lot of
if it’s any consolation, i can give input on what you did do. i think for sure my favorite pattern in your map is the 3/4 line sliders at 01:59:221 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , 02:06:004 (1,2,3,4) - , etc. its a very distinct and pishi-core idea, in fact it feels like the type of thing you’d see in the thank you scientist map that he ranked this year. i know saying “do more stuff like that” isnt exceedingly helpful for the problem i’ve just described, but i hope its better than nothing
anyway regardless of all of this its really nice to hear from your above comment that mapping is still fun for you no matter how insecure it can feel to keep pushing yourself, and that goes for anything creative. when you decide to finish a map i hope the greatest reason is that you felt like it