every week the boss of the shadow omdb council places 10 pictures of 10 random chinese maps from 2013 onto a dartboard and wherever their dart lands on us servants send the ratings of that map beyond the stratosphere
even if it is fully vibe mapped the main purpose of analysis isnt to literally figure out exactly what the mapper was thinking. often time mappers are just placing something because it feels cool in some vague/nebulous way and thats still expressing intent (intuition is a powerful tool). analysis is just taking a step back and asking "well, why exactly does it feel cool?" and then theorycrafting off of that. i dont even think analysis on a deeper level is that important in the mapping process itself, its just too laboursome to think about every single thing at all times which is why i think a pragmatic approach works so much better. i enjoy doing analysis however because its nice to be able to express these vague feelings into meaningful language so i can share these feelings.
also, some time ago i was hearing (second-hand account so dont kill me if i say some things wrong) about this document written by natsumerin which went pretty in depth with flow usage in particular contrasting circular flow with linear flows, using horizontal lines to move across the playfield smoothly, using vertical lines for emphasis on particular sounds. and i was thinking at the time "wow this is pretty schizo LOL" particularly with the vertical slider for emphasis because i really wasnt looking too deep into these maps. these things were then passed on to fanzhen and kiddly who then influenced 1000000 other mappers. needless to say i think these old mappers were more than just cavemen banging rocks together hoping they make fire
ok yeah i see ur point for sure. its like the right parts of the song were chosen but its executed too much or too little - i think these 01:49:136 (2,3,4,1) - 02:59:380 (5,6,7,1) - are also pretty bad culprits of it
oh also the visuals are very executed particularily with focal points and good pattern differentiation/contrast and rotational symmetry yada yada u get it
why i like this map is that it can do bullshit like this 01:08:770 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - and it can work because theres a good understanding of tension vs release u just stall to build tension and then release at key moment (end of chord progression or smth like dat) and it feels great to play
why this isnt a 5 for me is bcz it isnt doing so much more other than that i think this is also why im not too fond of childish killer either though that one also feels more dull for me in general idk y
^confused by this statement i always felt the exact opposite this map is very patient to wait until the most meaningful moments in the song rather than emphasizing one off vocals that r like just passing by
okay actually i like the top diff a lot more than i remember the sliders play kind of like nothing but in a really good way bcz it doesnt disrupt the flow like doing that on this map would be horrendous this doesnt make much sense actually also on azphyx diff 00:58:810 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - FUCK YOU
i um would enjoy having people to talk to and to listen to but i think i ruined that opportunity for myself and im not special or cool enough for ppl to want to talk to me now.
mapping should be a happy thing that we can share with eachother (and whether its "art" or not shouldnt matter) but this happy thing devolves into frustration/isolation when you feel like you are the only person who feels a certain way (when there might very well be other people who do too). its unfortunately easy for this to happen because (it seems) not a lot of ppl are willing to meaningfully engage and attempt to extend their thoughts into language (even if its very hard!) and its exactly because of the urrghhh its just a stupid circle game why are you typing an essay skull emoji mentality. ---- to be clear im not saying that *everybody* should take mapping totally seriously just to give those who do some space.
relating to my own personal experiences as a ββ§Β°πͺnewgenπΒ°β§β (hehe how can i make this about me π) the happiest ive been with mapping was first when i was a baby interacting with the log off now community and second when i became friends with some "late avalon" ppl. And I have to say that these communities get some shit for "spawnkilling" new mappers but they were some of the few places where i felt welcomed to. it feels like some other groups will just be like "this is good/bad!" and this is like fine for anyone inside the circle who already knows everything but if ur a newer mapper it feels like "ermmm u should already know why unless ur stupid" does anyone else feel this way is it just me am i rambling???
anyway in short and in very cliche can we just care a bit more to having a community. is there anyone else who feels a similar sentiment that its been missing? (if u do pls lmk actually so i dont feel like im screaming into the void). also sorry if my typing was very convoluted its cuz i have [UNDIAGNOSED]
i know im very late to the party but there were many things said in this thread and in the original review that resonated with me a lot. Melloe's post in particular hit me hard because it is a struggle I've had for a long time - where my heart is in a different place than my expertise.
It is natural to seek validation from other people about your work. We are social creatures and a large part of the enjoyment of art is being able to share your experiences with other people (think showing a cool map to one of your friends and them feeling a similar way to how you feel). As such it can feel isolating when there are things you value that other people don't seem to. You can start to second guess yourself and force yourself to see what the "right" way of mapping is (like how froslass mentioned raiko/xarr maps being "properly" mapped). And it's okay to map for recognition, but it comes at the cost of doing something outside of where your heart is.
As for my own experience with this I got recognition (though i am still a nobody tbh) from making hsv/very visually focused maps - but the truth is I'm not even *that* fond of these kind of maps (i like them but there are other types of maps I appreciate more). I didn't even want to become this sort of mapper I just happened to be quite good at it, and for a while a rolled with it because having recognition feels nice. But after a while I realized I did not feel fufilled, and that the attention was just.... shallow. So I've really been trying to map what *I* like in maps - In particular trying to capture a specific mood with different movement ideas or making fun iterative gameplay concepts or trying to express the song in my own special or extreme way. But I find trying to do these things to just be so much harder for me. Many a time I'll open the editor with a vision in my head and whatever I place is just... mediocore. But importantly when I was able to finish a map and do what I wanted to do it did feel a lot more rewarding, because I was pushing myself and more importantly I was following my heart. This feeling of finishing a project filled with a lot of passion is a form of joy that is truly special.
The cost of this however is that I've spent all this effort for a map, that is probably lower quality as I am trying to do what I'm not good at, and is going to get 0 recognition and rot away in graveyard. It just.... stings a lot. And I know these are very strong feelings to have about a circle clicking game and I'm aware its probably unhealthy. but that's just what I feel because I am an extremely emotional (moreso neurotic) person. I feel like I view maps as more precious than others may do. it's why I don't rly like to give low ratings on this site. So long as a map isn't obviously in bad faith (mapped for exploiting pp or for attention etc etc) I try my best to see the value in maps. Because they aren't *just maps*, there are people behind them, people who are often trying to make something meaningful or special. Maps are a reflection of who we are in that they are a manifestation of our enjoyments, each decision made with that intent.
Anyway im realising im yapping a lot and gotten off-topic I guess what I'm trying to say is that mapping should be a happy thing, and you should keep making what you enjoy to make because that's how u become truly fulfilled. ty for reading if u made it down here :D
every week the boss of the shadow omdb council places 10 pictures of 10 random chinese maps from 2013 onto a dartboard and wherever their dart lands on us servants send the ratings of that map beyond the stratosphere
even if it is fully vibe mapped the main purpose of analysis isnt to literally figure out exactly what the mapper was thinking. often time mappers are just placing something because it feels cool in some vague/nebulous way and thats still expressing intent (intuition is a powerful tool). analysis is just taking a step back and asking "well, why exactly does it feel cool?" and then theorycrafting off of that. i dont even think analysis on a deeper level is that important in the mapping process itself, its just too laboursome to think about every single thing at all times which is why i think a pragmatic approach works so much better. i enjoy doing analysis however because its nice to be able to express these vague feelings into meaningful language so i can share these feelings.
also, some time ago i was hearing (second-hand account so dont kill me if i say some things wrong) about this document written by natsumerin which went pretty in depth with flow usage in particular contrasting circular flow with linear flows, using horizontal lines to move across the playfield smoothly, using vertical lines for emphasis on particular sounds. and i was thinking at the time "wow this is pretty schizo LOL" particularly with the vertical slider for emphasis because i really wasnt looking too deep into these maps. these things were then passed on to fanzhen and kiddly who then influenced 1000000 other mappers. needless to say i think these old mappers were more than just cavemen banging rocks together hoping they make fire
omdb is w doomscrolls
yea sorry i did not even know this was map of the day i just saw number 2 most rated and odoru and my brain clicked π im sure u have better now
its like so close for me but some patterns are just slightly out of place like 03:19:512 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - 03:26:897 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - 01:52:743 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - 05:34:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - move these jumps a measure or two forward so it resolves on the downbeats and it wld be so epic. also this section 02:14:435 - 02:29:666 is lowkey boringggg tho i like the buildup at the end 02:25:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1).
i super duper fuck with when it does the long sliders into massive stream thing 01:54:589 (1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) 03:12:127 (1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) this is like top 10 hype moments ur like oh shit i need to lock in ill bump my rating actually theres def merit to this map
god i would like playing this a lot more if there wasnt an unskippable almost 1 min cutscene at the start
aim map
oh my bad @rita summers she just completely forgot she did this apparently
ok yeah i see ur point for sure. its like the right parts of the song were chosen but its executed too much or too little - i think these 01:49:136 (2,3,4,1) - 02:59:380 (5,6,7,1) - are also pretty bad culprits of it
she quit after she got banned again thats why i know 0 permission was given < is this w larps
thats floomf ππππππππ
oh also the visuals are very executed particularily with focal points and good pattern differentiation/contrast and rotational symmetry yada yada u get it
starfly diff was taken with 0 permission btw i dont care about it but its kind of funny
why i like this map is that it can do bullshit like this 01:08:770 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - and it can work because theres a good understanding of tension vs release u just stall to build tension and then release at key moment (end of chord progression or smth like dat) and it feels great to play
why this isnt a 5 for me is bcz it isnt doing so much more other than that i think this is also why im not too fond of childish killer either though that one also feels more dull for me in general idk y
^confused by this statement i always felt the exact opposite this map is very patient to wait until the most meaningful moments in the song rather than emphasizing one off vocals that r like just passing by
i dont like my diff anymore lol it has some ok moments tho
war crime profile
does starfly know about this
starfly's extra asodbna9ouybsndaouisaoiduoitygdbuaystgy8diagd
okay actually i like the top diff a lot more than i remember the sliders play kind of like nothing but in a really good way bcz it doesnt disrupt the flow like doing that on this map would be horrendous this doesnt make much sense actually also on azphyx diff 00:58:810 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - FUCK YOU
00:14:844 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - this is moe
*sigh* i guess ill die then--
i um would enjoy having people to talk to and to listen to but i think i ruined that opportunity for myself and im not special or cool enough for ppl to want to talk to me now.
mapping should be a happy thing that we can share with eachother (and whether its "art" or not shouldnt matter) but this happy thing devolves into frustration/isolation when you feel like you are the only person who feels a certain way (when there might very well be other people who do too). its unfortunately easy for this to happen because (it seems) not a lot of ppl are willing to meaningfully engage and attempt to extend their thoughts into language (even if its very hard!) and its exactly because of the urrghhh its just a stupid circle game why are you typing an essay skull emoji mentality. ---- to be clear im not saying that *everybody* should take mapping totally seriously just to give those who do some space.
relating to my own personal experiences as a ββ§Β°πͺnewgenπΒ°β§β (hehe how can i make this about me π) the happiest ive been with mapping was first when i was a baby interacting with the log off now community and second when i became friends with some "late avalon" ppl. And I have to say that these communities get some shit for "spawnkilling" new mappers but they were some of the few places where i felt welcomed to. it feels like some other groups will just be like "this is good/bad!" and this is like fine for anyone inside the circle who already knows everything but if ur a newer mapper it feels like "ermmm u should already know why unless ur stupid" does anyone else feel this way is it just me am i rambling???
anyway in short and in very cliche can we just care a bit more to having a community. is there anyone else who feels a similar sentiment that its been missing? (if u do pls lmk actually so i dont feel like im screaming into the void). also sorry if my typing was very convoluted its cuz i have [UNDIAGNOSED]
i know im very late to the party but there were many things said in this thread and in the original review that resonated with me a lot. Melloe's post in particular hit me hard because it is a struggle I've had for a long time - where my heart is in a different place than my expertise.
It is natural to seek validation from other people about your work. We are social creatures and a large part of the enjoyment of art is being able to share your experiences with other people (think showing a cool map to one of your friends and them feeling a similar way to how you feel). As such it can feel isolating when there are things you value that other people don't seem to. You can start to second guess yourself and force yourself to see what the "right" way of mapping is (like how froslass mentioned raiko/xarr maps being "properly" mapped). And it's okay to map for recognition, but it comes at the cost of doing something outside of where your heart is.
As for my own experience with this I got recognition (though i am still a nobody tbh) from making hsv/very visually focused maps - but the truth is I'm not even *that* fond of these kind of maps (i like them but there are other types of maps I appreciate more). I didn't even want to become this sort of mapper I just happened to be quite good at it, and for a while a rolled with it because having recognition feels nice. But after a while I realized I did not feel fufilled, and that the attention was just.... shallow. So I've really been trying to map what *I* like in maps - In particular trying to capture a specific mood with different movement ideas or making fun iterative gameplay concepts or trying to express the song in my own special or extreme way. But I find trying to do these things to just be so much harder for me. Many a time I'll open the editor with a vision in my head and whatever I place is just... mediocore. But importantly when I was able to finish a map and do what I wanted to do it did feel a lot more rewarding, because I was pushing myself and more importantly I was following my heart. This feeling of finishing a project filled with a lot of passion is a form of joy that is truly special.
The cost of this however is that I've spent all this effort for a map, that is probably lower quality as I am trying to do what I'm not good at, and is going to get 0 recognition and rot away in graveyard. It just.... stings a lot. And I know these are very strong feelings to have about a circle clicking game and I'm aware its probably unhealthy. but that's just what I feel because I am an extremely emotional (moreso neurotic) person. I feel like I view maps as more precious than others may do. it's why I don't rly like to give low ratings on this site. So long as a map isn't obviously in bad faith (mapped for exploiting pp or for attention etc etc) I try my best to see the value in maps. Because they aren't *just maps*, there are people behind them, people who are often trying to make something meaningful or special. Maps are a reflection of who we are in that they are a manifestation of our enjoyments, each decision made with that intent.
Anyway im realising im yapping a lot and gotten off-topic I guess what I'm trying to say is that mapping should be a happy thing, and you should keep making what you enjoy to make because that's how u become truly fulfilled. ty for reading if u made it down here :D
what were they smoking during top diff